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Jazz are shopping Jefferson and Millsap according to ESPN

Darkwing Duck said:
I don't think it's prudent to sell off players on a shortened season. I'm sure they're feeling around, seeing what kind of value each has to other GMs. I don't think either will be traded during the truncated frenzy before the start of the season. Maybe before the trade deadline, and certainly a good possibility of the off season if the Jazz have a poor season and the young players played decently.
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Why draw it out? Right now - and assuming Millsap remains a PF almost exclusively - the Jazz have 5 bigs (and two #3 picks in consecutive years) to split 96 minutes. If they bury or amnesty Memo, that's still only 24 mpg per player.

Something has to happen. Maybe it's Millsap playing 3 full-time. Maybe it's trading Al. Maybe it's both and getting a true C in the process. The Jazz would be foolish to do anything but see what they can get.

And I believe this report. Between now and the 9th, teams are going to be going to get a jump on free agency by making verbal deals so that free agency will be LESS truncated and they can make deals right out of the gate.
 
mellow said:
I think the jazz expected to get something out of an overpaid & undersized pf.
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Seriously, what do they expect out of a guy that makes a little more than the MLE? 17 pts, 8 rbs, 2.5 asts, 1.5 stls, 1 bpg, on 53% overall and 40% from 3 and missed all of 6 games? What a bum.

mellow said:
apparently Milsap was content to rush into the locker room and rush off.
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Oh no. MiLLsap is out of control.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Why draw it out? Right now - and assuming Millsap remains a PF almost exclusively - the Jazz have 5 bigs (and two #3 picks in consecutive years) to split 96 minutes. If they bury or amnesty Memo, that's still only 24 mpg per player.

Something has to happen. Maybe it's Millsap playing 3 full-time. Maybe it's trading Al. Maybe it's both and getting a true C in the process. The Jazz would be foolish to do anything but see what they can get.

And I believe this report. Between now and the 9th, teams are going to be going to get a jump on free agency by making verbal deals so that free agency will be LESS truncated and they can make deals right out of the gate.
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I totally agree with this. If someone's going to get dealed, might as well do it now. I think Millsap is really good, but he's not the future SF or PF for the Jazz. Trading him will be taking a step back to eventually take 2-3 steps forward in the future, as it will give the young guys more time to develop and will also make us slightly worse this season which gives us a much better shot of ensuring at least one lottery pick in the upcoming draft.

Regarding the upcoming draft and the talks of changes to the age limit: my guess is that this will be the last year for one and dones, and then starting in the 2013 draft it will change to 2 yrs in college.
 
trigg3r said:
Please stay away from Rondo. We don't need another PG who can't shoot.
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****ing THANK YOU. I wouldn't trade Millsap for Rondo straight up. We'll see how good Rondo really is when he's not playing alongside 3 or more HOF-ers. I'm not a Harris believer, but I don't think I'd even trade Harris for him straight up. Rondo's got a punk attitude, pair that with his inability to do anything besides handle the ball, pass, and rebound. All for only $46 million? No thanks.
 
One but not both. Who has more trade value? That's the question. Sap is probably more valuable to us, but I think Jefferson could command more in a trade.
 
margodydek said:
Regarding the upcoming draft and the talks of changes to the age limit: my guess is that this will be the last year for one and dones, and then starting in the 2013 draft it will change to 2 yrs in college.
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That would be a bad decision for the league, imo. Beginning it next year would leave a huge hole of a draft with little or no excitement/big names in that year. If the league decided to make it official, immediately, then the 2012 draft would still have names like Barnes, Sullinger, TJones, PJones, Zeller, Marshall, Henson, JLamb, DLamb, etc. etc.

While next years draft would have QMiller, Davis, Drummond, Teague, Kabongo, McAdoo, Hairston, etc. etc.
If they started it NEXT year all of the above would be combined into this year and the 2013 draft would be the weakest, ever.

Maybe the NBA/teams don't care, I don't know ... and, no, this isn't a homer statement.
 
PKM said:
That would be a bad decision for the league, imo. Beginning it next year would leave a huge hole of a draft with little or no excitement/big names in that year. If the league decided to make it official, immediately, then the 2012 draft would still have names like Barnes, Sullinger, TJones, PJones, Zeller, Marshall, Henson, JLamb, DLamb, etc. etc.

While next years draft would have QMiller, Davis, Drummond, Teague, Kabongo, McAdoo, Hairston, etc. etc.
If they started it NEXT year all of the above would be combined into this year and the 2013 draft would be the weakest, ever.

Maybe the NBA/teams don't care, I don't know ... and, no, this isn't a homer statement.
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Considering how deep this draft class is it may not turn out as bad. Player's projected to go 10-15 would almost assuredly go top 5 next year given they wouldn't have to battle with any freshmen, which I would think would propel them to stay another year. So I actually think it wouldn't be a horrible idea to go that route.
 
Qman said:
I remember reading it on true hoop but it appears to have not been included in the current agreement.
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You may be right. Here's a tweet from Howard Beck of the NYT responding to a question:

@Handles_Messia: Is the rule against trading for and then using amnesty on a player locked in?

@HowardBeckNYT: Yes, locked in.
 
margodydek said:
I'm no trade expert, but going off some of the rumors out there this is what I'd like to see happen:

Indy gets Millsap
GS gets Granger as well as their conditional draft pick back (from us)
Jazz get Curry and take on a bad GS contract (which if it's awful we could amnesty their a$$).
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I like this trade, but if GS is not convinced, how about this then:

Indy gets Millsap
GS gets Granger and Alec Burks
Jazz get Curry and take on a bad GS contract and keep this year's GS protected pick

Using the pick we try to find our future SF/SG in a draft loaded with wing players (there's some flexibility as Hayward can play both positions).. in the meantime we'll just use Miles in the wing for the time being (this year's just an experiment with our young players anyway).

Thoughts?
 
Hotttnickkk said:
I like this trade, but if GS is not convinced, how about this then:

Indy gets Millsap
GS gets Granger and Alec Burks
Jazz get Curry and take on a bad GS contract and keep this year's GS protected pick

Using the pick we try to find our future SF/SG in a draft loaded with wing players (there's some flexibility as Hayward can play both positions).. in the meantime we'll just use Miles in the wing for the time being (this year's just an experiment with our young players anyway).

Thoughts?
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Indiana hangs up.
 
mellow said:
Maybe the Jazz really want to get rid of both. Young team, new coach, perhaps Milsap and Big Al are bigger pains than we know. Can't perpetuate a culture of losing and isolation.

Milsap never has stepped up to be a veteran leader with his teammates, not all guys are leaders, but I think the jazz expected to get something out of an overpaid & undersized pf. Radio guys were talking about all the Jazz team traditions that died last year. They attributed some of it to several new players and new coach. but wondered why Milsap, as the longest tenured player who played a key part of the team didn't do something--apparently Milsap was content to rush into the locker room and rush off.

Jefferson's psyche was so sensitive that even Ol' Jerry had to cough out little compliments. Jefferson got mad at the reporters when they asked about games or his performance. He jumped on the Jazz tv reporter one night and a few nights later ran out without talking to the media--the Jazz thought it was serious enough that they called for a meeting with his agent. And he didn't seem to take coaching, the jazz had to give up trying to install their offense and everyone stood to watch as the ball went into the post and never came out again.
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This is interesting!
 
Hotttnickkk said:
I like this trade, but if GS is not convinced, how about this then:

Indy gets Millsap
GS gets Granger and Alec Burks
Jazz get Curry and take on a bad GS contract and keep this year's GS protected pick

Using the pick we try to find our future SF/SG in a draft loaded with wing players (there's some flexibility as Hayward can play both positions).. in the meantime we'll just use Miles in the wing for the time being (this year's just an experiment with our young players anyway).

Thoughts?
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I think that if we traded burks for curry, we would regret it in about 2 years.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
I like this trade, but if GS is not convinced, how about this then:

Indy gets Millsap
GS gets Granger and Alec Burks
Jazz get Curry and take on a bad GS contract and keep this year's GS protected pick

Using the pick we try to find our future SF/SG in a draft loaded with wing players (there's some flexibility as Hayward can play both positions).. in the meantime we'll just use Miles in the wing for the time being (this year's just an experiment with our young players anyway).

Thoughts?
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If Golden State wanted Burks, they would have picked him over Klay Thompson.
 
Basketball_Romantic23 said:
Alec Burks has all the intangibles to become, for the members of Jazzfanz, the most hated Jazz player.

Naos, Please expound to this ^. :)
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He's a little prickly of a personality. His swagger could make him great, but if it doesn't, it would make him terrible and unbearable as a person. If his current skill set remains largely the same (needs to handle the ball, not a good shooter on or off the ball, doesn't defend), that means unless he's really good, he's really bad.

That said, if he expands his game significantly, most of that changes. What isn't likely to change is how he handles himself and that if he keeps that, frankly, cocky attitude and isn't good then it could be a nightmare.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Why draw it out? Right now - and assuming Millsap remains a PF almost exclusively - the Jazz have 5 bigs (and two #3 picks in consecutive years) to split 96 minutes. If they bury or amnesty Memo, that's still only 24 mpg per player.

Something has to happen. Maybe it's Millsap playing 3 full-time. Maybe it's trading Al. Maybe it's both and getting a true C in the process. The Jazz would be foolish to do anything but see what they can get.

And I believe this report. Between now and the 9th, teams are going to be going to get a jump on free agency by making verbal deals so that free agency will be LESS truncated and they can make deals right out of the gate.
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Stability. Kanter struggles and Favors gets into foul trouble and what do you have? Jefferson and Millsap are likely to have more value next summer, well, Jefferson anyway, and giving the keys to the new kids is the strategy Minnesota and other bottom of the barrel teams do for years until they get the lucky one guy.
 
IBleedAggieBlue said:
No their not!!! KOC can't even discuss players until after the CBA is signed.
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You know, the blue bleeder has a point.
Unless they can "discuss" it with other owners, but can't discuss anything with players or agents or finalize anything until the CBA is signed?
Do we know where the line is for sure?
 
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