We’re taking Hunter back in this hypothetical and their pick. Wright is a free agent.
Try again.
Predict the Rudy Gobert trade
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We’re taking Hunter back in this hypothetical and their pick. Wright is a free agent.
Try again.
We won 49 in a complete ******** of a year, last year we were on 60 win pace. The year before that we were on 50 something win pace. We've been in that general range for ages. Practically since Rudy appeared as our best player.
Atlanta's biggest problem is their defense and this is precisely what Rudy will fix. They have good players throughout the roster and they have a superstar offensive creator who will fit like a glove with Rudy. I have very little doubts that Rudy will massively help them in the win collumn. Now will it be 50 or 55 or 60, who knows... this is contingent on a lot of other factors but he will definitely raise their level.
My point was that a strict swap between Capela+Collins for Rudy is the same money, but vastly different outcomes. Add in Hunter and the Hawks are still better with Rudy, but they would end up paying a hell of a lot more for those 3 combined than Rudy.
Why would we swap Rudy for Capela and Collins?
We better get Hunter, Collins, Capela, 16 and a future first round pick.
This is Rudy ****ing Gobert we are talking about here.
They had Rubio coming off their bench last year. Maybe that's what they're trying to replace.
No, YOU still don’t get it.
Rudy’s value is his defense but when you get paid 1/3 of the cap you better be able to play both sides of the floor especially in the playoffs. Which he can’t effectively.
That’s the point I’m making. Capela+Collins is the same salary cost….but wayyy worse than Gobert on his own. That’s why we ask for a ton on top of that duo. The difference between Rudy and those two is massive and we ought to make teams pay for that upgrade. We shouldn’t short change Rudy, because if teams don’t have Rudy….they are lucky to be paying Collins and Capela that same money.
I’m sure teams would rather pay Jokic or Giannis instead of Rudy. But if you’re not paying Rudy you’re paying two mediocre starters the same money. Rudy has value. The Jazz better get real value back.
The standard was "dominate", not put up points. Mitchell doesn't bend the defense to his will. Even Lopo just acknowledged that all opponents have to do is double-team him, and Mitchell can't make the offense work.
We are blaming the guy who’s getting doubled teamed for the offense not working?
Are they adding Barnes and a FRP ?
Right.. so taking back Hunter, Collins, Capela, 16 and a future first still makes them a 55-win team?
Again, the standard was "dominate", not "blame". Argue honestly. Mitchell's not at fault for the offensive struggles, but that doesn't mean he dominates the opposition.
Rudy is being paid his market value. It's not a bad contract. If it were, there wouldn't be a trade market for him. The guy leads the league in rebounds, FG% and defensive =/-. He's a player who can put the right team over the top.
I am not sure what your definition of dominate means. Please elaborate.
The whole point is it is going to be a bad contract in 2-3 years.
In this hypothetical scenario, weren't we also giving them our Bogdanovic?
No, Gobert plus salary filler is enough someone like Gay.
Gonna avoid the argument? Nice! Depends on what they do with their other assets. I think a Trae+Gobert team should strive to win 50 games regardless of who the teammates are. Those two are the most elite of elite on either end and can drive a top 10 performance on their own.
The point real is, if you don’t have Rudy you will pay the same or more for way worse results. That is why Rudy is valuable and this is what we we’re talking about. Don’t shortchange him. Don’t tell me Rudy is on a terrible contract and doesn’t have trade value when a “good” alternative is paying Collins and Capela for the same amount and winning less. For many teams, they’re paying a combo like Hardaway and Bertans the same amount.
Rudy is worth his contract, and teams would be dying to give him the same exact contract right now if they could.
I would love being wrong and getting huge package for Rudy.