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franklin said:
This is how the old CBA operated and I really doubt it has changed.
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No way to know what has changed and what hasn't unless you try to read up on it. I accidently deleted the link I posted, but here it is again. Rather than speculate on what might or might not be true, I try to read up on CBA stuff. I know GVC does the same, which is why I wanted to know if he knew something I had missed.

https://webfiles.uci.edu/lcoon/cbafaq/salarycap.htm#Q72

In some cases, teams have up to one year to acquire the replacement player(s) to complete a trade. These trades are considered non-simultaneous trades. In a non-simultaneous trade, a team can only acquire up to 100% plus $100,000 of the salary it gives up (as opposed to 125% plus $100,000 in a simultaneous trade). A trade in which more than one player is traded away can only be simultaneous; non-simultaneous trades are allowed only when a single player is traded away (although teams can sometimes find ways to configure multi-player trades as multiple single-player trades which are non-simultaneous).
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Back in 07, I knew the CBA pretty well, but I've forgotten nearly everything since then.
 
margodydek said:
Probably the most interesting name on the list you provided was Hedo. Not because I would want him or his contract anywhere near this team, but we all know whoever wants Dwight has to take back Hedo. And for all you who will no doubt clamor that why would we want Dwight for a 1 yr rental, well I'd rent him for a year and give up Al, CJ + GS pick to do it. I'd even throw in a Burks or a Hayward as well.
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Basketball-wise, it's a no-brainer. However, do you think the Jazz are going to pay ~$34 million over three years to probably just rent another guy? I don't. Especially since Dwight's play demands floor-spacing, which the Jazz have almost 0 of.

Interesting thought, nonetheless. Especially since in the rental scenario, Dwight doesn't have to sign off on it.
 
GVC said:
You can use a single TPE on multiple players, actually (if Larry Coon's FAQ is to be believed).
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NUMBERICA said:
Holy ****.

This seems new. Maybably not.
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It was described on the radio, from a conversation with KOC, and yes it can be used on multiple players.
It can be used in quite a few ways.
KOC called it the equivalent of a gift card, or something like that.

If it's like that, it could prove very useful.
 
NUMBERICA said:
You cannot combine the salary from one TPE to any other salary. That includes other players and other TPEs.
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TPEs are tricky when it comes to understanding all the possibilities of how they can be used. From what I've read, it's true that you can't combine exceptions, but not necessarily true that you can't combine them with another player. I think a lot depends on the specific circumstances of each particular trade.

https://webfiles.uci.edu/lcoon/cbafaq/salarycap.htm#Q72


Here is a more complicated example of a legal non-simultaneous trade: a team has a $4 million Traded Player exception from an earlier trade, and a $10 million player it currently wants to trade. Another team has three players making $4 million, $5 million and $7 million, and the teams want to do a three-for-one trade with these players. This is legal -- the $5 million and $7 million players together make less than the 125% plus $100,000 allowed for the $10 million player ($12,600,000), and the $4 million player exactly fits within the $4 million Traded Player exception. So the $4 million player actually completes the previous trade, leaving the two teams trading a $10 million player for a $5 million and a $7 million player. From the other team's perspective it's all just one big simultaneous trade: their $4 million, $5 million and $7 million players for the $10 million player.
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Again, it's possible I'm missing something, as there is a lot of information on TPEs.
 
I just skimmed this thread but......
Why hasn't anyone mentioned Wes Matthews in this conversation?
I remember C.J. Miles playing so much better when they were playing side by side in the playoffs against the Lakers.
I say get a 3 team deal going to get Matthews back in a Jazz uniform. Portland is in massive need of a big man.
Jefferson anyone?

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The example given is confusing. In actuality, TWO trades are being made. The first is the TPE for the 4 million dollar player. The second is the player swap as per CBA. It only looks like the TPE is being combined.

TPE's actually arent't that confusing. A) The player whose salary you're acquiring has to be any amount less than the TPE. Once that player is acquired, the TPE does not go away. It simply reduces by the amount of the player. For example 10 million dollar TPE, Jazz acquire 8 million dollar player. They didn't collect on 2 million of the TPE they were owed, so they now have a 2 million dollar TPE. And it keeps reducing like that.
 
Watching Matthews play well in a Blazers jersey really hurts to watch. It would definitely be awesome to get him back, but I don't think that the Blazers will give him up
 
billyshelby said:
In actuality, TWO trades are being made.
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That would make sense, but you would sure think he'd explain it that way, rather than imply that an exception was being combined with a player. It would be easy enough to just say that teams get around it by separating it into more than one trade, but he doesn't do that.
 
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Is Burks going to be better than Matthews? If not, we should try to get him back, otherwise we really screwed the pooch on that one, as many of us, me included, thought to begin with.
 
freakazoid said:
That would make sense, but you would sure think he'd explain it that way, rather than imply that an exception was being combined with a player. It would be easy enough to just say that teams get around it by seperating it into more than one trade, but he doesn't do that.
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What he's trying to explain is that a TPE can facilitate a 3 for one player deal that the CBA trade rules could not.

In that example, two teams want to trade 3 for 1. They won't make ANY trade if they can't do 3 for 1. But the three cost 4,5, and 7 for a total of 16. The upper limit on the old CBA was 125% so the most salary that could be taken back was 12.5 million. Alas, the deal doesn't work.

BUT if the team with the 10 also had a 4 million dollar TPE, they can now make this 3 for 1 that wasn't formerly possible work. They do it by trading 5 and 7 for the 10 (according to standard CBA trade rules). The TPE then completes the deal as a separate swap.

Yeah, it's written wonky. But the basic gist is he's showing how a TPE can be strategically used to complete deals, not suggesting a TPE can actually be combined with player salary. In other words, a 4 mil TPE cannot be added to a 6 mil player to trade for a 10 mil player.
 
freakazoid said:
No way to know what has changed and what hasn't unless you try to read up on it. I accidently deleted the link I posted, but here it is again. Rather than speculate on what might or might not be true, I try to read up on CBA stuff. I know GVC does the same, which is why I wanted to know if he knew something I had missed.

https://webfiles.uci.edu/lcoon/cbafaq/salarycap.htm#Q72
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You're sounding pretty condescending there for a guy posting a link to an explanation of the 2005 era CBA.

This FAQ is for members of the media and fans of the NBA who want to know more about the salary cap, trade rules, and other aspects of the NBA's 2005 Collective Bargaining Agreement.
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Yes, I have read that and is one reason why I DOUBT anything has changed.
 
franklin said:
You're sounding pretty condescending there for a guy posting a link to an explanation of the 2005 era CBA.

Yes, I have read that and is one reason why I DOUBT anything has changed.
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lol. My apologies. I completely misunderstood your other post. I thought you were speculating that I was probably wrong about about the 100% + 100,000. Now that you point out that's the old CBA, it makes sense. My bad.:o

And welcome back.
 
Thanks man. I've been waiting for the right point to say you've been the funniest poster here by far during my absence. Solid stuff. Might as well post it here.

I just got done googling this again and there are no new details I could find. NBA puts out a CBA explanation from time to time, which has been a great place to fact check Coon's sight. He's been good so I stick with him.
 
JazzSpazz said:
It was described on the radio, from a conversation with KOC, and yes it can be used on multiple players.
It can be used in quite a few ways.
KOC called it the equivalent of a gift card, or something like that.

If it's like that, it could prove very useful.
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Ok so if it's a gift card does it have an experation date? Do we have to use it this year or within the next 3? This thing is a legal document and more than I care to truly dissect. I'm interested just not that interested.
 
heathmc said:
Ok so if it's a gift card does it have an experation date? Do we have to use it this year or within the next 3? This thing is a legal document and more than I care to truly dissect. I'm interested just not that interested.
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It is one year.
 
Let's see who is available at the trade deadline....

OJ Mayo
Josh Smith
Danny Granger
Goran Dragic
Gerald Wallace

The market might soften on a number of guys.
 
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