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Could you / would you parlay Westbrook?

I have a pricing strategy on clients I don't like working with or don't want to work with... I have to price it so high that when they sign on I am not upset because of the money... even when they sign on sometimes I'm like "damn"

With Ben I would find that price that I think make it good... then I'd add 25% on top... when you feel like its too much... just a little more and you are in the sweet spot.
 
KqWIN said:
If we trade for Simmons and get compensation, we theoretically have acquired the assets to dump him at any time or close to it. That could always change with the market, but going forward there are more teams with cap space meaning more teams willing to take him in a salary dump. But every year we have him, his negative value as a contract gets less even if he doesn't improve as a player. For example, we eat the cost next year, meaning we can't use the cap space....but the following year his contract is less negative and if we wanted to dump him it should take less value than what we got him for. We've gained value in that process, albeit at the loss of our cap space. If he actually improves as a player, we've obviously gained even more value. Cap space only matters if we use it, and we can always trade him if we need to use it.
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Correct. my issue with our particular situation is that we already have a ton of draft assets so I worry someone would try to extract the same amount or more... and we will have wasted time and energy. I worry "the cost" would include Lauri and others as they get fed up with the situation. The amount of research I would have to do behind the scenes to bite on something like this is huge... I'd want all the intel.

There are also transaction cycles where you can dump salary easier... so maybe you get lucky and pocket 50% of the profits. I just think its a dangerous game unless its a clear overpay. I think SA or some other team would accept a deal at a cheaper price than I would demand.
 
I also have a brother in law that has some mental issues. Everyone has tried to help him "fix" his issues but he refuses to actually address them. I laugh as people attempt to help him or believe he has changed and this time it will be different. It always goes poorly.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I have a pricing strategy on clients I don't like working with or don't want to work with... I have to price it so high that when they sign on I am not upset because of the money... even when they sign on sometimes I'm like "damn"

With Ben I would find that price that I think make it good... then I'd add 25% on top... when you feel like its too much... just a little more and you are in the sweet spot.
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This can also backfire, too. In this sense, I presume you have familiarity with these clients, whereas we don't with this one. I had an opportunity come up a few years ago where they were looking for someone and they took me out to lunch to discuss everything. It wasn't a massive amount of a time commitment, but I had fully been out of training for a couple years and had been laying low with just a main gig and enjoying the time with family. I valued that and, though it was good money, put a significant premium on my time and asked for an absolutely outrageous amount. They ended up declining that (was like 1.5x what the typically rate was [which was good]). I didn't feel too bad that they declined, as that was part of the idea. A friend of mine took the gig. Found out later how little work it was and would have been totally minimal stress. It caused me to decide to say yes next time something came up.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Can we get Mikal or Johnson along with Simmons for Westbrook? If it's Mikal I'll send a pick maybe two as well.
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Can’t aggregate, but we can manipulate. Two separate deals.

Clarkson/Olynyk and (I’m assuming) a draft pick to the Nets for Bridges, immediately followed by Westbrook to the Nets for Simmons/Harris.

It looks like the numbers should line up to let both teams do that.
 
infection said:
This can also backfire, too. In this sense, I presume you have familiarity with these clients, whereas we don't with this one. I had an opportunity come up a few years ago where they were looking for someone and they took me out to lunch to discuss everything. It wasn't a massive amount of a time commitment, but I had fully been out of training for a couple years and had been laying low with just a main gig and enjoying the time with family. I valued that and, though it was good money, put a significant premium on my time and asked for an absolutely outrageous amount. They ended up declining that (was like 1.5x what the typically rate was [which was good]). I didn't feel too bad that they declined, as that was part of the idea. A friend of mine took the gig. Found out later how little work it was and would have been totally minimal stress. It caused me to decide to say yes next time something came up.
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the bolded section is the key though... we absolutely know that BS is a trainwreck. And yes its with clients with personalities or demands that bother me... and even sometimes when they say yes I get upset I didn't give them a flat no. I have done that a few times and it feels amazing (if the companies were unfair unreasonable or just generally unpleasant)
 
Simmons makes $35 and Westbrook is $47 so they would have to include someone else. Ainge wants someone that he can rehab and resell OR that is a long term fit.

If we could get Mikal Bridges then Ben Simmons is worth it. Length out the wazoo. The perfect partner to Lauri. A defensive anchor. And Ben Simmons... eeeek.

If it's Cam Johnson... he's a good piece and possibly a key role player on a championship team.

The only other thing that makes sense is to grab multiple picks in exchange for giving them tax relief.
 
Coach Ellis said:
Can’t aggregate, but we can manipulate. Two separate deals.

Clarkson/Olynyk and (I’m assuming) a draft pick to the Nets for Bridges, immediately followed by Westbrook to the Nets for Simmons/Harris.

It looks like the numbers should line up to let both teams do that.
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No, just include it in the Durant deal because that’s not finalized yet.
 
infection said:
This can also backfire, too. In this sense, I presume you have familiarity with these clients, whereas we don't with this one. I had an opportunity come up a few years ago where they were looking for someone and they took me out to lunch to discuss everything. It wasn't a massive amount of a time commitment, but I had fully been out of training for a couple years and had been laying low with just a main gig and enjoying the time with family. I valued that and, though it was good money, put a significant premium on my time and asked for an absolutely outrageous amount. They ended up declining that (was like 1.5x what the typically rate was [which was good]). I didn't feel too bad that they declined, as that was part of the idea. A friend of mine took the gig. Found out later how little work it was and would have been totally minimal stress. It caused me to decide to say yes next time something came up.
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Listen to HH. It only takes one nightmare you didnt imagine happening.

I really feel like WB still has value in the league, so I hope we don't waive him like DRose just to have him drop 30 on us. With Simmons it just depends on our timeline. If its not in the next 2 years, and the picks or other player ar right, I'm open to it. The question becomes what is available for that cap space the next 2 years and is it better than the picks or player. One way or another I'm pretty against waiving WB.

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KqWIN said:
If we trade for Simmons and get compensation, we theoretically have acquired the assets to dump him at any time or close to it. That could always change with the market, but going forward there are more teams with cap space meaning more teams willing to take him in a salary dump. But every year we have him, his negative value as a contract gets less even if he doesn't improve as a player. For example, we eat the cost next year, meaning we can't use the cap space....but the following year his contract is less negative and if we wanted to dump him it should take less value than what we got him for. We've gained value in that process, albeit at the loss of our cap space. If he actually improves as a player, we've obviously gained even more value. Cap space only matters if we use it, and we can always trade him if we need to use it.
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Not to mention, a perennial ROY candidate!
 
I'm one sick puppy but I would like to see Westbrook play for the Jazz. Right now our talent is subpar and the guy would be entertaining and might actually give boy wonder some grey hairs.
 
We should’ve traded for Simmons and if it didn’t work out trade him to Minnesota for Gobert to loosen protections on picks.
 
Its pretty wild. WB has been traded every year of his 5 yr contract. I dont know how you don't look in the mirror after watching that occur. Has to mess with your mind going from Lebrons guy to being the fall guy.

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