It does nothing for me to cite a few sources. If you choose a number sufficient to convince you, I'll consider investing the time. Otherwise, I have nothing to gain. Capitalism, ain't it grand?
Biden Supreme Court Nominee Ketanji Brown Jackson
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Hax0rs
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What does this even mean? Yiou posted you had the fact that blacks were discriminated against white doctors, i'd like to see your sources....waiting on MotherJones, VICE, etc.
Maybe he just doesn't understand the idea of counting.
Hax0rs
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Your mother was a damn good counter, she ran through the whole senior class
You're repeating your "insults".
I guess I'm reminded why I had you blocked in the first place.
Hax0rs
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Then why even reply, if you had me blocked? You so fake, just like your momma.
Al-O-Meter
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Now you have KBJ's racial supremacist argument correct. She asserts the level of medical care is determined by the skin color of the doctor, that doctors having a particular skin color have a superior quality to them. I'm calling out that racial supremacist thinking for what it is.
The size of 'n' is 1. If you find a single study to back the various racial supremacy claims you've made in this thread then I'll affirm whatever previous point you claimed, but I know you won't decide it is worth your bother to prove your racial supremacist narrative of skin color being what makes a doctor good or bad.
It wasn't an inelegant presentation of the numbers. It was mathematically impossible made-up statistics that I imagine KBJ read someplace and took to be true because they affirmed her world view. By repeating what she believed was true, she has given evidence to the world that she does not apply critical thinking to anything that affirms her views even if it is something as comically obvious as claims that white doctors kill over 50% of black babies they try to deliver. KBJ is racist and she is a moron.
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Red
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No, the level of care may be related to the skin color of the patient. The patient.
There is no inherent difference in doctor’s skills that would be based on the doctor’s race. She is not voicing a racial supremacy argument there. She is saying black patients may receive poorer care from white doctors, NOT because black doctors are superior, but because white doctors might be racist. How you interpret her, and One Brow, is your unique take. As far as I’ve discerned, in reading through the discussion.
If the patient is black, then, even if only on a completely unconscious level on the part of a white doctor, a black patient may not fare as well with a white doctor. It sounds more like you are accusing Jackson of racial supremacist thinking because you don’t understand what she said. Which One Brow has explained well. I believe his interpretation of Jackson is correct. I believe you’ve made a mistake throughout this particular argument, by an incorrect assumption, and some will see it as not reflecting well on you.
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I'm not reading the ignored content but it clearly seems someone is being obtuse.
A white person gets care level 100 from a white doctor.
A white person gets care level 100 from a black doctor.
A black person gets care level 85 from a white doctor.
A black person gets care level 100 from a black doctor.
Subconscious bias is real. Black people have been disparaged in an overt effort to dehumanize them for several hundred years. That **** does exactly what it is intended to do. The effects are revealed in part when you study the outcomes of black patients being treated by white doctors.
The gaslighting is to tell us that when we see the results of subconscious bias we are being racist.
A white person gets care level 100 from a white doctor.
A white person gets care level 100 from a black doctor.
A black person gets care level 85 from a white doctor.
A black person gets care level 100 from a black doctor.
Subconscious bias is real. Black people have been disparaged in an overt effort to dehumanize them for several hundred years. That **** does exactly what it is intended to do. The effects are revealed in part when you study the outcomes of black patients being treated by white doctors.
The gaslighting is to tell us that when we see the results of subconscious bias we are being racist.
The same study showed white babies die more with black doctors. In both instances, the actual percentage was very small. I read this a few years ago and did not re-read now, so my recollection may be off, but the percentages were actually miniscule, not double as stated (based on my recollection at least).
Premature or other NICU babies with a higher risk of death are more likely to be cared for my specialists, that happen to be more white. There are so many variables. No comparison by weight, early birth, disease, etc.
Mortality rate in the U.S. is extremely high (for mom and baby). No excuse.
I have no preference regarding race, sex, age, etc. when picking a doctor (my current PCP is an Indian woman, and seems pretty good) but I'd like to see more transparency as to how they did in school, etc.
My friends ex had a learning disability and received all kinds of accomodations on exams in medical school. Good for her, but when it comes to my health, reading reports accurately, etc., I want the very best person treating me.
For anyone having troubles finding the information: https://bfy.tw/UH7c
Here's one example of a study showing that non-white women do not receive the same postpartum pain care as white women.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
And black women still die at a higher rate after giving birth.
apnews.com
This is only one part of health care. Doctors do not take black pain as seriously as white pain.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
I'm sure this has changed your mind.
Racial Disparities in Postpartum Pain Management - PubMed
Hispanic and non-Hispanic black women experience disparities in pain management in the postpartum setting that cannot be explained by less perceived pain.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
And black women still die at a higher rate after giving birth.
Maternal deaths in the US more than doubled over two decades. Black mothers died at the highest rate
A new study in the Journal of the American Medical Association shows maternal deaths across the U.S. more than doubled in two decades in unequal proportions.
apnews.com
This is only one part of health care. Doctors do not take black pain as seriously as white pain.
Racial bias in pain assessment and treatment recommendations, and false beliefs about biological differences between blacks and whites
The present work examines beliefs associated with racial bias in pain management, a critical health care domain with well-documented racial disparities. Specifically, this work reveals that a substantial number of white laypeople and medical students ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
I'm sure this has changed your mind.
SteakNEggs
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Nobody has said a word about the thousands upon thousands upon thousands of black babies saved by the Supreme Court in one year.
Talk more racism guys and gals. You know literally nothing else. I mean... Your historically racist president with slavery bloodline that you voted for literally said Obama was the first articulate black person he's ever met yet you have the audacity to talk about race
Talk more racism guys and gals. You know literally nothing else. I mean... Your historically racist president with slavery bloodline that you voted for literally said Obama was the first articulate black person he's ever met yet you have the audacity to talk about race
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Al-O-Meter
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The better question is: Have these studies changed your mind? I can see that before posting these links that you had been up-voting racist comments so I know where you stood before going to the work of finding these. The second of your papers was the most on-topic as it at least related to death rates.
What that study found were rising mortality rates among mother of all ethnic groups with Black mothers being the most affected. The rise in mortality rates correlates with the rise in affirmative action. Black mothers are most affected, and with human nature being what it is, what ethnic group of mothers do you think the affirmative action Black doctors were statistically most likely to have as their patients?
You can make a strong case that affirmative action, the practice of allowing in students who otherwise are too inept academically, has made healthcare worse for everyone and especially for Black women but not a single one of the papers you linked to shows even a hint of Black doctors being better for Black patients. So it is really up to you. You can continue to up-vote racism, or you can look at the data.
Al-O-Meter
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Yes, I'm sure that you found these ratings in a scientific journal and didn't pull them from your backside to make your bigotry seem based in statistics.
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Al-O-Meter
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She wrote that white doctors kill over 50% of the Black babies they try to deliver. It is racist fantasy that doesn't resemble anything approaching reality. It really doesn't matter if her imagined baby-killing doctors do their baby-killing out of incompetence, unconscious bias, or deliberate acts because either way it is their skin color that is responsible and the only way to stop these baby-killing white doctors is for the government to enact institutional racism to increase the number of good (a.k.a Black) doctors. KBJ's opinion is racial supremacist fantasy with a heaping helping of math incompetence.
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Finally someone using gaslighting correctly. I'm getting tired of people claiming gaslighting every time someone disagrees and argues with them.
I hate that gaslighting became a term known by the general public, because my son, who had severe mental health issues (schizophrenia or delusional disorder, depending on what side of the US/Canada border he was on) latched on to it, and whenever we tried to contradict him, by saying for example that the people in the cars driving by weren't projecting their thoughts at him, he accused us of gaslighting him.
I think some of you may have been misunderstanding how what affirmative action decisions were made. They didn't take uneducated, illiterate, low IQ people into Harvard and give them medical degrees. Race wasn't the only criteria used. They deserved to go, they just weren't going to be given the opportunity.
Plus affirmative action may have helped some people get into better colleges than they might have been able to do based on our unequal educational system, but it didn't award them degrees. They still had to take and pass the same classes.
Assuming a doctor is better because he/she is white is a biased assumption. A black doctor has to meet the same criteria.
The fact that I see the systemic racism in our institutions does not make me a racist. It's sad you can't see that.
Plus affirmative action may have helped some people get into better colleges than they might have been able to do based on our unequal educational system, but it didn't award them degrees. They still had to take and pass the same classes.
Assuming a doctor is better because he/she is white is a biased assumption. A black doctor has to meet the same criteria.
The fact that I see the systemic racism in our institutions does not make me a racist. It's sad you can't see that.
1) Not "asserts", rather, 'relies on the statically demonstrated fact'.
2) Actually, it is certain combinations of skin color between doctor and patient that produce inferior outcomes.
So far, you been complaining, not explaining. What is your explanation for the statistically demonstrated fact of white doctors treating black patients worse than white doctors treating white patients and worse than black doctors treating black patients, if not racism?
I agree you should call out your mindset for constructing a racist interpretation of the data.
You have misstated my point, and I would not try to defend the mistaken understanding you have presented.