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Charlotte gets the rights to swap with our least favorable pick in 2025.
 
I like Sexton and he’s really gone beyond what I thought he could lately, but if we had Luka instead of Sexton it would still be a good idea to get more firepower. I’m not using Sexton’s surge as evidence that we must have a tiny usage Pg next to him and can’t go for another ball handler. Sooner or later Sexton will cool down and/or defenses will change the way to defend us. No matter how good Sexton is, his life will be easier at some point with another ball handler.

You can’t name a ball handler in the league that doesn’t need some help. LeBron, Luka, Shai, Dame, Curry….whoever. They’re all going to need and want some help at the highest levels.
 
In some sort of two step you could acquire the Wizards first that NY owns... its protections mean it likely turns into seconds... but it does hang over the Wizards head a little. If you moved JC to NY for the pick then figured out a trade with some stuff and that pick to the Wiz for Avdija it could have more "value" to them than another team. The GM also may not care and might use the pick they owe as rationalization to continue asset collection a year or two longer than they would otherwise.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I don't think thats an unreasonable price depending on the contracts or pick protections. I think the Nets are a team that should be looking hard at something there. If its Jordan/Ochai/1st that's been my price for us that makes sense. Sounds like they want more but what they want and what they get are likely two different things. Glad we have Hardy and Collins to provide insight if we want.

these are the decisions that are the hardest to weigh. Everyone is rolling and you hate to disrupt but you do need to swap out good for great where you can.
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This Murray situation is interesting to me for a few reasons. One is that I don’t think he has ever really liked to play for the Hawks, where he didn’t have a lead PG role and couldn’t play to his strengths. Another one is that his contract is now cheaper because of it, and it will cover his peak years as a player. Everyone seems to be saying that Trae-Murray just didn't work out and that it is the reason for the Hawks to shop Murray, but he may have also told them that he prefers to move on.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
In some sort of two step you could acquire the Wizards first that NY owns... its protections mean it likely turns into seconds... but it does hang over the Wizards head a little. If you moved JC to NY for the pick then figured out a trade with some stuff and that pick to the Wiz for Avdija it could have more "value" to them than another team. The GM also may not care and might use the pick they owe as rationalization to continue asset collection a year or two longer than they would otherwise.
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I get the intrigue in Avdija, but he’s like the hardest type of player to trade for in the league. Good young players are hard to get from teams that are tanking. They definitely value picks, but teams always value their own young players the most. I think there’s been a regime change though….so maybe that’s a glimmer of hope….but 23 year old on a brand new 4 year contract doesn’t get traded often.

Having said that, after watching too many Wizards games, it would not surprise me if he asked for a trade. He looks miserable there.
 
KqWIN said:
I get the intrigue in Avdija, but he’s like the hardest type of player to trade for in the league. Good young players are hard to get from teams that are tanking. They definitely value picks, but teams always value their own young players the most. I think there’s been a regime change though….so maybe that’s a glimmer of hope….but 23 year old on a brand new 4 year contract doesn’t get traded often.

Having said that, after watching too many Wizards games, it would not surprise me if he asked for a trade. He looks miserable there.
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I just put a deal together with JC to NY, Fournier to Wash, Wright and Avdija to Utah. Wash also picks up their own pick from NY and we send the Minny pick.

He's pretty awesome and looking at his numbers he's super unique. On a smart organized talented team he might shine even brighter. 2 firsts and more salary flexibility is a solid haul for them with where they are. They will be collecting assets for 2-3 years at least. They have no urgency to do a deal unless he is miserable but they also aren't going to benefit in a huge way from how good he is. Maybe they move Kuzma instead and give Deni a bigger role to make him happier. IDK but I think they are in asset collection mode and we have assets for a player that might be the swiss army knife we need?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I just put a deal together with JC to NY, Fournier to Wash, Wright and Avdija to Utah. Wash also picks up their own pick from NY and we send the Minny pick.

He's pretty awesome and looking at his numbers he's super unique. On a smart organized talented team he might shine even brighter. 2 firsts and more salary flexibility is a solid haul for them with where they are. They will be collecting assets for 2-3 years at least. They have no urgency to do a deal unless he is miserable but they also aren't going to benefit in a huge way from how good he is. Maybe they move Kuzma instead and give Deni a bigger role to make him happier. IDK but I think they are in asset collection mode and we have assets for a player that might be the swiss army knife we need?
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Oh I definitely think we could use Deni. I just think that if I’m WAS, I’m definitely wanting to hold onto him. It would be an extremely hard pill to swallow to trade one of their only bright spots for very distant picks. Deni isn’t just good now, but he has a good amount of potential to get better for the reasons you listed.

I can only see him getting traded if he’s super frustrated….which might be true body language wise. He’s definitely not a fan of the Poole party.
 
KqWIN said:
Oh I definitely think we could use Deni. I just think that if I’m WAS, I’m definitely wanting to hold onto him. It would be an extremely hard pill to swallow to trade one of their only bright spots for very distant picks. Deni isn’t just good now, but he has a good amount of potential to get better for the reasons you listed.

I can only see him getting traded if he’s super frustrated….which might be true body language wise. He’s definitely not a fan of the Poole party.
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I would put the 2025 Minny pick on the table. That isn't that far off at all. IF they twist my arm I can part with Ochai.

They should hang on to him but I could see them viewing it as selling high or selling while he has momentum. They are stuck with Poole and if there is an issue there I could see them swapping for a more liquid asset. If Deni's shooting dips back down he would lose a little luster as well. IDK I just make sure to have a good convo there if there is a convo to have.

They are also so early in their rebuild that I think these types of deals would still be tolerable. They also don't really have any extra firsts (the GS one they got was a fake first). So getting a pick back and one for the coffers is the type of stuff they are supposed to be doing.
 
Man... how much better would Washington's outlook be if they didn't do the Poole deal. The cap is one thing... subjecting young guys to his ******** is another.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I would put the 2025 Minny pick on the table. That isn't that far off at all. IF they twist my arm I can part with Ochai.

They should hang on to him but I could see them viewing it as selling high or selling while he has momentum. They are stuck with Poole and if there is an issue there I could see them swapping for a more liquid asset. If Deni's shooting dips back down he would lose a little luster as well. IDK I just make sure to have a good convo there if there is a convo to have.

They are also so early in their rebuild that I think these types of deals would still be tolerable. They also don't really have any extra firsts (the GS one they got was a fake first). So getting a pick back and one for the coffers is the type of stuff they are supposed to be doing.
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I get where you're coming from, WAS is a mess, but I'm still telling other teams to kick rocks if I'm WAS and teams are calling about Deni. A 2025 pick from one of the best teams in the league and a 1st that turns into seconds is not doing it for me. Deni could be worse like anyone could be worse, but the team that believes in him the most is probably WAS themselves and I'm sure they're more inclined to believe he will keep getting better.
 
KqWIN said:
I get where you're coming from, WAS is a mess, but I'm still telling other teams to kick rocks if I'm WAS and teams are calling about Deni. A 2025 pick from one of the best teams in the league and a 1st that turns into seconds is not doing it for me. Deni could be worse like anyone could be worse, but the team that believes in him the most is probably WAS themselves and I'm sure they're more inclined to believe he will keep getting better.
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I would take calls on everybody if I am Was.... but would have a higher price than what I outlined. I do think talking heads would be like "two firsts for Deni Avdija?!?!?!" but I don't think real GMs would see that as wild.

OKC is a team that I could see really liking Deni and offering more and there is obviously a relationship there.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I would take calls on everybody if I am Was.... but would have a higher price than what I outlined. I do think talking heads would be like "two firsts for Deni Avdija?!?!?!" but I don't think real GMs would see that as wild.

OKC is a team that I could see really liking Deni and offering more and there is obviously a relationship there.
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Jazz Twitter would meltdown if we did that lol.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Jazz Twitter would meltdown if we did that lol.
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for sure...

"you mean we got John Collins for free and Avdija costs 2 firsts!!!!!"

I haven't watched Deni this year because he's with the Wiz. Based on the numbers and his previous play it likely irks him to play the kind of winning basketball he does/could and lose every game while Kuz and Poole show off for the baddies.
 
Rookie wall may have hit Bilal a bit. Hadn't looked at a wiz box score for a while.
 
If I'm the jazz I would be hesitant to make any move. I feel like we are best off riding out this current hot streak and seeing where we settle just before the deadline. If we cool down then we sell off Olynyk and Clarkson and focus on getting younger guys minutes and keeping our pick. If we continue at even close to this pace then lets just roll with this core the rest of the season and evaluate in the offseason.
 
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