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Mathews signs offer sheet w/Blazers (5 yrs/34 mil)

Not to worry though, "We'll look at it on Monday and see what it is," Jazz general manager Kevin O'Connor said (https://www.deseretnews.com/article/700047176/Matthews-signs-offer-with-Portland.html). Great to know after the weekend's rest full of energy KOC will look into it on Monday. Gotta be fresh before looking at the situation at hand. Some here might suggest to look at it Sunday even or maybe Sat night, but that would obviously be too much to ask. We certainly don't want to rush into this and work through the weekend to do so.
 
I didn't feel like reading every single post in this thread but from what I have read, I've gathered this. The offer was 5 years, 33M. That's 6.6M per. Wow, like almost everyone else on here I have to agree. Let him walk. To play devil's advocate though, consider this about his game. While slightly undersized, he is still a very good defender. Not average defender. He's a very good on the ball defender. That's huge in and of itself. Then, offensively, he's not great but for our fifth option, he's solid. He shot 48% from the floor which is excellent for a guard, 38% from three which is about average, 83% from the line, and put up some okay stats in other areas. I personally think we'll match. I don't think we should. However, if we don't, who else is out there? We'd have to sign some wing, no?

No. Its the full MLE (Which Ross Siler was predicting he would get, since the end of the season) plus, they front loaded it... again. It has a $9.2mil up front bonus, just like with Millsap. This is how we know that Portland's only intention is to **** the Jazz, who's owner doesn't have as deep of pockets.
 
Portland, which is still looking for a permanent general manager after Kevin Pritchard was fired last month, told the Matthews camp that the 6-foot-5 shooting guard was its No. 1 free-agent target. Young called the offer "pretty strong," a description neither team is likely to refute.

The agent even said Portland told him, "We may have overpaid, but if we're going to take a run we'll give our best shot."

You know how bad the contract is when the one signing him said he's overpaid. Wow.
 
They don't get thecontract until Monday. Untl then they have nothing but internet posts to look at.

It's $34-million deal with a $9.2 million up-front payment. We certainly need not waste 2 days before evaluating, even if some minor details are not yet available.
 
I'm as low on Brewa as any Jazz fan, but I'm not opposed to bringing him back at a good price. He is a solid NBA wing to bring off the bench, but he shouldn't get more than 20 minutes a game or so.

If he comes here he will and that's why I don't want anything to do with Brewer. Your not as low on him as me apparently. There are better options at SG than Brewer.
 
It's $34-million deal with a $9.2 million up-front payment. We certainly need not waste 2 days before evaluating, even if some minor details are not yet available.

have you ever thought that they may allready no what they are going to do? match it then make portland wait the full seven days so they cant do anything else for seven days. if we match now then they can start searching for somebody else that the jazz might want. this way we tie them up for seven days.
 
Btw, take a look at this: https://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/jazz/49907340-87/jazz-matthews-offer-williams.html.csp


Does this sound like KOC has been actively negotiating with Wes or perhaps like someone who told him to go find another offer, like Siler reported? And if we thought 25 mil offer sheet was coming, why not talk to Wes and try to agree to similar deal, but without toxic first year. Looks like KOC was completely out of the loop on this whole thing, doesn't it?

No. Only looks like that if your reading something that isn't there.
 
To avoid toxic first year, when you are so close to luxury tax and don't have that much money to pay up front.

This contract does not effect the LT more than the 5.7. The Jazz have to pay the 9.2 but I am almost positive it does not effect the tax like you are trying to claim. You are way to hung up on the toxic first year.

The bad part about this contract is 34 M for Wes. That's way too much for him.
 
If he comes here he will and that's why I don't want anything to do with Brewer. Your not as low on him as me apparently. There are better options at SG than Brewer.

Well, when Brew was here when everyone was healthy, Sloan actually gave Brew more minutes that to Wes and a starting spot. In fact, before the traded Brew, Wes came off the bench to log whole 10 mins. So, perhaps bringing back Brew is not so bad - for Sloan that is.
 
No. Its the full MLE (Which Ross Siler was predicting he would get, since the end of the season) plus, they front loaded it... again. It has a $9.2mil up front bonus, just like with Millsap. This is how we know that Portland's only intention is to **** the Jazz, who's owner doesn't have as deep of pockets.

Really? Aldridge reported 5 years, 33M. He mentioned the bonus as well but those were the numbers he gave and he's one of the actually reliable sources usually.
 
No. Only looks like that if your reading something that isn't there.

This is ridiculous. The article clearly said Jazz were expecting 25 mil. And you suggest they were in the loop? You know what being in the loop means? Let me give you an idea. Nets make an offer to Booz for 75 mil, and before the ink is dry on it, Booz signs with Bulls for 80. Bulls clearly were in the loop. When you expect 25 mil and offer comes in at 34, which KOC had no clue about and will only look at it on Monday, I would say we were not in the loop, wouldn't you?
 
This contract does not effect the LT more than the 5.7. The Jazz have to pay the 9.2 but I am almost positive it does not effect the tax like you are trying to claim. You are way to hung up on the toxic first year.

The bad part about this contract is 34 M for Wes. That's way too much for him.

Well, looks like none of us knew offer would be that high, and unfortunately even KOC had no idea. You know, as if he has not been actively negotiating with Wes and told him to find another offer with someone else.
 
Unfortunately we can't go back in time and test what we would have thought then. But signing rookie FAs usually takes place with more information than choosing NBA draftees because the rookie FAs have usually played some league ball or might have worked out more, even after the draft took place. And my contention here is that some players should be signed for more time. Should an undersized PG such as Dee Brown be given more than a year guaranteed? Probably not--and he wasn't. Kudos to the Jazz. (See? I can praise, not only criticize. Not sure why are acting like such an apologist.) Should James Augustine get more than a year guaranteed? Definitely not. Should Matthews have been signed to two years guaranteed, based on the information available at the time? I say yes, just like Gilbert Arenas was (not that WM= GA). I still don't know why you're so hypersensitive to such analyses.

So an undersized PG that had a much better college career did not deserve 2 years but an undersized SG with a worse college career did? Yea right. Your reaching. The Jazz may have made a call here but I don't think they thought he would still be on the team after CJ and Korver came back. Good job by Mathews earning it but I don't see anyway they "should" have know prior to him actually playing in the NBA that he would outplay 3 experienced players and cause them to trade one of them.
 
This is ridiculous. The article clearly said Jazz were expecting 25 mil. And you suggest they were in the loop? You know what being in the loop means? Let me give you an idea. Nets make an offer to Booz for 75 mil, and before the ink is dry on it, Booz signs with Bulls for 80. Bulls clearly were in the loop. When you expect 25 mil and offer comes in at 34, which KOC had no clue about and will only look at it on Monday, I would say we were not in the loop, wouldn't you?

Nope they knew he would get an offer and there is no reason to worry about it until they do. What did being in the loop have anything to do with it? Your being naive to the max.
 
If they don't get the contract til Monday, does that mean the 7 days to match, starts then?
Who knows? I would guess that league rules require that an offer sheet be delivered within one "business day" and that the team with matching rights is then given 5 "business days" from the time of delivery to decide, but it's a minor detail that most people wouldn't know.
 
Maybe there are some rules I don't know about, but why wasn't KOC on the phone with Wesley's agent at midnight making him a fair, 2-3 year offer? There's no way Wesley was expecting this offer from Portland and I'm almost positive they would have taken it. The "go out and let another team set your value" thing failed pretty hard.
 
Maybe there are some rules I don't know about, but why wasn't KOC on the phone with Wesley's agent at midnight making him a fair, 2-3 year offer? There's no way Wesley was expecting this offer from Portland and I'm almost positive they would have taken it. The "go out and let another team set your value" thing failed pretty hard.

Read the thread if ya want peoples thoughts on this, eh, H.E.? We done been over and over it. Of course the first question is: What makes ya think they didn't, to begin with?
 
Jazz did what we expected them to do by now. Sit on their behinds and wait for something or someone else to force them into some kind of action. But actually in this case that approach might help them if they continue it all the way to the end. Just do nothing. Let Porty have Wes.
 
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