Open Carry?

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I own but am in no way an expert. You are right in that no one truly knows how they will react until they are actually in that situation. But if I am ever in that situation I would hands down prefer to have the option of using a weapon versus not having that option.

I think having a gun in home make sense, because you can anticipate when someone is breaking into your house (by hearing them, maybe you have a camera or alarm system set up) so you can act defensively. If someone pulls a gun on you in the middle of the street, or has the upper hand in general, it seems a gun would hurt more than help in most cases..

 

[Stoked]

I think having a gun in home make sense, because you can anticipate when someone is breaking into your house (by hearing them, maybe you have a camera or alarm system set up) so you can act defensively. If someone pulls a gun on you in the middle of the street, or has the upper hand in general, it seems a gun would hurt more than help in most cases..

In case like that then yeah I am more then likely not going to try and draw on them before they shoot me. But that is not the only way things go down. The vast majority of my family carries. So hitting one of my family reunions is a good way to get killed.

 

[bigb]

Have you considered getting an alarm system and/or a dog?

I have two big dogs that live in my backyard and do a good job of barking when people are by my gate. By no means is that a perfect self defense system. I do agree with you that I have no idea how I would react if/when someone tried to get in my house. I may stand there and piss my pants. But I would rather have the knowledge, training, and tools available to me to give it a shot than not have them and be steamrolled without a defense mechanism.
Let me clarify my stance a little. I grew up around guns. One of my earliest memories is going shooting with my dad. We went out and he sat me down and showed me a gun, showed me the parts, showed me how to use it, gave me instructions, and showed me the devastation it could cause. It didn't scare me away from guns, nor did it make me more curious about them. It gave me a profound respect for them. I knew how to handle one. I've had my two oldest kids around guns, in a very controlled environment. With my 7 year old, I have started the same things my dad did with me. I don't have a gun laying around my house unprotected. It is in a spot that my kids can't get to it. It's not loaded, or even with the magazine loaded.

 

[Stoked]

I have two big dogs that live in my backyard and do a good job of barking when people are by my gate. By no means is that a perfect self defense system. I do agree with you that I have no idea how I would react if/when someone tried to get in my house. I may stand there and piss my pants. But I would rather have the knowledge, training, and tools available to me to give it a shot than not have them and be steamrolled without a defense mechanism.
Let me clarify my stance a little. I grew up around guns. One of my earliest memories is going shooting with my dad. We went out and he sat me down and showed me a gun, showed me the parts, showed me how to use it, gave me instructions, and showed me the devastation it could cause. It didn't scare me away from guns, nor did it make me more curious about them. It gave me a profound respect for them. I knew how to handle one. I've had my two oldest kids around guns, in a very controlled environment. With my 7 year old, I have started the same things my dad did with me. I don't have a gun laying around my house unprotected. It is in a spot that my kids can't get to it. It's not loaded, or even with the magazine loaded.

Mine is in a bed side safe that only I know the code to open. Fully loaded, 1 in the chamber. I also have grown up around guns. Not much of a hunter but I will go on occasion.

 

[bigb]

Mine is in a bed side safe that only I know the code to open. Fully loaded, 1 in the chamber. I also have grown up around guns. Not much of a hunter but I will go on occasion.

When I get a handgun, I'll get one of those, but give my wife the code as well. Or get a fingerprint one.

 

[Gameface]

Respectfully, I've never understood people's infatuation with guns and their desire to own one or even many. May I ask why those of you who carry want to or feel the need?

I think it's a matter, for some people, of taking the responsibility to protect themself and their family instead of passing that responsibility on to law enforcement. Also, to have the opportunity to protect themself while waiting for law enforcement to arrive.

Personally I (used to) shoot as a hobby. As a kid I had bb guns and pellet rifles and would target shoot with them. I've probably shot upwards of 30,000 pellets as a kid. I got more into my wrist-rocket later on and felt like I could use it more effectively than I could a pellet gun. If I was forced to live in the woods and hunt small game for food I would use a wrist-rocket over a pellet gun or .22 because ammo is unlimited and it is much quieter and easier to get a follow up shot before the target gets spooked.

When i was in the Navy a guy who grew up in NY was infatuated with guns and went out and bought a big *** Ruger Super Redhawk .44 Mag. I had a snub-nosed ruger .357 Mag. So he and I got passes to a range and went at least 2 times a month. I later bought a Springfield XD .40 and it was a lot more fun to shoot at the range because it had 10 rounds per mag and 2 mags that were easier to load. Not to mention it didn't kick like a donkey and I shot it much more accurately.

In the Navy I was assigned to Shipboard Security for a while. In that role I had to qualify with various weapons. All I can say is that anyone who had a clue how to handle weapons learned how outside of the Navy because the Navy qualification process was a joke. That said, I never took a handgun qual I didn't ace. In fact, when I qual'd at the shore facility as opposed to qualing on the ship while at sea, one of the Gunner's Mates brought my target out to the waiting area for me to keep because in his words "That's the best shooting we've seen here all day...hell, at least this week." I basically had one large hole in the chest with 4-5 "fliers" that still hit the bulls-eye. That's from several positions shooting both right and left-handed.

I carried a side-arm on the ship and stood armed watch on the pier when we pulled in for port visits. Again, the Navy taught me nothing about how to shoot or handle a firearm.

So, for me, the desire to have several different firearms is about learning to shoot them all well. Shooting a semi-auto pistol is different than shooting a revolver, which is different than shooting a rifle, which is different than shooting a shotgun. I had a desire to be able to hit my target with a variety of weapons.

I was an FC in the Navy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_Controlman which is a job about firing weapons and hitting targets, so it's just always been something I've been into.

In the last several years I've gotten rid of almost all of my guns. I just don't get out and shoot them like I used to so I didn't see a need to stockpile them. Besides, I wanted different stuff and firearms hold their value really well if you take care of them. I paid for my kegging system by selling the .357 Mag I mentioned earlier.

Because I drink often I don't have any guns "at the ready." I would not try to respond to any situation with a gun in my hand if I had been drinking, period. I won't even clean my firearms if I've been drinking.

 

[franklin]

Here's what I found regarding carry in a vehicle:

76-10-502. When weapon deemed loaded.
(1) For the purpose of this chapter, any pistol, revolver, shotgun, rifle, or other weapon described in this part shall be deemed to be loaded when there is an unexpended cartridge, shell, or projectile in the firing position.
(2) Pistols and revolvers shall also be deemed to be loaded when an unexpended cartridge, shell, or projectile is in a position whereby the manual operation of any mechanism once would cause the unexpended cartridge, shell, or projectile to be fired.
(3) A muzzle loading firearm shall be deemed to be loaded when it is capped or primed and has a powder charge and ball or shot in the barrel or cylinders.

It looks like the two action thing applies but I'm still unsure of the exact meaning.
I guess a revolver with a manual lock could have a full cylinder.
Shotguns and rifles can have bullets in the magazine but not chambered.

I've been told some of the Glocks with a grip safety count as two actions--one for gripping the handle and another for pulling the trigger. I think that's pushing the limits too far but apparently some concealed instructors don't.

 

[Archie Moses]

I'm too lazy to really try and read about Utah's open carry laws. In a nutshell, I can legally carry a gun on my hip or in a shoulder holster without a concealed weapons permit, right? If that's the case, do I get in trouble if my shirt hangs out over my waist and all of a sudden the gun is concealed?

Any gun-nuts here?

I'd also like some suggestions for decent hand guns. I'm not going to break the bank, but I'd love to waste some tax return dollars on a gun and shoulder holster. Perhaps it's the teeny-peeny syndrome, but I really like the idea all of a sudden.

This is the pistol I want to get.

Will I get it? Probably not. I only see myself buying guns for hunting.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I have only ever shot a .22 (when I used to go moose/caribou/deer/sometimes bear hunting with my father). Theres a few shooting ranges here in Edmonton, but I've definitely never been to any of them. The regulations for firearms in Canada are seriously strict from what I know, and I can safely say that I do not know a single family that has a firearm underneath their bed, or anything like that.

 

[Scat]

Have you considered getting an alarm system and/or a dog?

My friend is in the home alarm business and he said that owning a large breed dog is better than any home security system on the market. When a person approaches your house and hears a large dog barking they have no idea if it is a lab, rottweiler or pitbull and will most likely walk right on by. He said that when he does door to door sales he doesn't even try at houses where he can hear a large dog barking.

Keeping a gun next to my bed would be worthless. There are so many noises going on at my house at all hours of the day that bumps in the night are totally ignored. The only time I even pay attention is if the large dog starts repeatedly barking. Then I know a stranger is in the house.

Regarding why someone would want a gun. I think there are some very legit reasons but I also think that some people are paranoid or it makes them feel badass (see Dell Schanze). Who am I to question it? Whatever makes you feel better as long as you don't use that gun to commit crimes. That said it is intimidating to a lot of people if they see a gun poking out of a jacket. Hell, my daughter's best friend's dad is a detective. He of course wears his piece in plain view. People clear a path for him when he's walking around.

 

[Stoked]

When I get a handgun, I'll get one of those, but give my wife the code as well. Or get a fingerprint one.

Not married. I shipped Satan back to her dad.

 

[TroutBum]

Regarding why someone would want a gun. I think there are some very legit reasons but I also think that some people are paranoid or it makes them feel badass (see Dell Schanze). Who am I to question it? Whatever makes you feel better as long as you don't use that gun to commit crimes. That said it is intimidating to a lot of people if they see a gun poking out of a jacket. Hell, my daughter's best friend's dad is a detective. He of course wears his piece in plain view. People clear a path for him when he's walking around.

I hate to admit this, but this is kind of the reason I want one. Whenever I see someone open carry, I always assume they're a cop or some sort of detective. Instant cool factor, imo. I'd also like to be that guy who saves the day by shooting the bank robber. That would kick ***. For more practical reasons, I do hike alone in the uinta's, and I always have my brothers .44 on my hip.

 

[Stoked]

My friend is in the home alarm business and he said that owning a large breed dog is better than any home security system on the market. When a person approaches your house and hears a large dog barking they have no idea if it is a lab, rottweiler or pitbull and will most likely walk right on by. He said that when he does door to door sales he doesn't even try at houses where he can hear a large dog barking.

Keeping a gun next to my bed would be worthless. There are so many noises going on at my house at all hours of the day that bumps in the night are totally ignored. The only time I even pay attention is if the large dog starts repeatedly barking. Then I know a stranger is in the house.

Regarding why someone would want a gun. I think there are some very legit reasons but I also think that some people are paranoid or it makes them feel badass (see Dell Schanze). Who am I to question it? Whatever makes you feel better as long as you don't use that gun to commit crimes. That said it is intimidating to a lot of people if they see a gun poking out of a jacket. Hell, my daughter's best friend's dad is a detective. He of course wears his piece in plain view. People clear a path for him when he's walking around.

Down here where I live I see the older ranchers/farmers walking around with a hand cannon strpped to their leg all the time. The site of those guns never seems to cause a scene. That is because people here are used to it and go about business as usual. One of the critiques of open carry is that people will call 911 or cause a scene because they are afraid of the gun carrier. Well maybe at first in areas where that mentality has taken hold. But people would be suprised what people can become accustomed to. If it became a regular thing that panic would stop as it is nothing new and they are used to it.

 

[franklin]

I hate to admit this, but this is kind of the reason I want one. Whenever I see someone open carry, I always assume they're a cop or some sort of detective. Instant cool factor, imo. I'd also like to be that guy who saves the day by shooting the bank robber. That would kick ***. For more practical reasons, I do hike alone in the uinta's, and I always have my brothers .44 on my hip.

Now we'll know what happened to the tie die twins.

 

[babe]

I hate to admit this, but this is kind of the reason I want one. Whenever I see someone open carry, I always assume they're a cop or some sort of detective. Instant cool factor, imo. I'd also like to be that guy who saves the day by shooting the bank robber. That would kick ***. For more practical reasons, I do hike alone in the uinta's, and I always have my brothers .44 on my hip.

Something about the way you said all this makes me wonder where your brother is.

Pretty much I like your sense of humor. I find it credible that guns are pretty much just an option, not a way of life. I don't see where any government, from neighborhood watch committee to city, county, state, government agency regulatory dictatorships lacking essential features of democracy or respect for human rights, or military forces supposedly protecting us, or our government itself, or the fascist UN monster, has any jurisdiction over guns. If we don't have a right to life, we will always at least have the right to die, going down shooting. That's always going to be a hell of lot more respectable than just getting on the paddy wagon and riding peaceably off to the camps to drink the cool-aid.

Even a coked-up, meth-crazed beatch knows that.

Just having some kind of law on the books to cover the case of open carry macho-zealots being left alone until they do something else that's stupid will reduce the government paperwork, and hence our taxes. That's payback enough. If we could see our way clear just to get the government out of a lot of other useless nonsense issueing licenses and making regulations, we could reduce the use-less eater population of bureacrats to near zero, and be a free nation once again.

But in absolute terms, I just think it's absolutely crazy that in a nation where the constitutions says "The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringe" we have tens of thousands of national, state, and local laws that infringe on it one way or another, and millions of people who want to let fascist militarist goons be the only honchos in town with guns.

If I carry a weopon, I consider it's usefulness compromised by either the requirement that it be concealed or open. It's nobody's business but mine. Any bad actor who can reliably assume it's one way or the other will have an unnecessary advantage. Same thing with limitations on capacities being written into law. Just leave it alone, so whether is the gandland hoods or the government honchos, they'll have to worry about doing criminal things or anything else people won't like.

Actually, I think having novel weoponry nobody knows about is the way to go. Something far more effective than lead or electricity. That's why I always pack a brain.

 

[TroutBum]

Actually, I think having novel weoponry nobody knows about is the way to go. Something far more effective than lead or electricity. That's why I always pack a brain.

I hope you had a grin on your face when you typed that out, because, damn -- that's funny.

 

[TroutBum]

Now we'll know what happened to the tie die twins.

I finally met those fella's up at the Doug Miller tribute ice fishing deal at Rockport this year. Nice guys, really. They look dumber than hell, but they fish more than I do, and that's really saying something.

 

[Beantown]

When I was at UVU I actually felt safer knowing alot of students carry guns on them. If someone ever decided to go Virginia Tech on the school they would be taken down fairly quickly. We wouldnt have to wait for police to get here.

That being said I dont currently own a gun or many guns that would necissitate a gun rack.

But I would like to get a hand gun in the near future.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

I hate to admit this, but this is kind of the reason I want one. Whenever I see someone open carry, I always assume they're a cop or some sort of detective. Instant cool factor, imo. I'd also like to be that guy who saves the day by shooting the bank robber. That would kick ***. For more practical reasons, I do hike alone in the uinta's, and I always have my brothers .44 on my hip.

What the hell do you think's going to happen while you're hunting? The Fish Game and Wildlife Commission for the state is going to immediately initiate Fatass Game Season?

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

I wonder how much of this is an East Coast/NJ vs. Utahr thing too. What I mean is that NJ is the most densely populated state and I would assume response times by law enforcement to 911 calls and such are on average quicker (much quicker?) than many places in Utahr that could be more remote and out of the way. Having said that, for me, locking all my doors, having an alarm system on all doors and windows, and having a dog that's a Chow mix and looks sort of like a wolf makes me feel secure and outweighs any fear, for lack of a better word, I have that my home will be invaded.

Oh yeah, and Trout, you sound like you're a dumbass and will shoot yourself like Plaxico Burress. Please abort all notions of the purchase.