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Following potential 2012 draftees

If we know we're talking to Houston and know we're targeting a PG, then Lowry and Dragic both seem very likely. As mentioned by others, Philly seems like a possibility for the 'other' team, so maybe Holiday is our target. Not sure how I would rank them, but I'd be very happy with any one of these three over Harris.

And from your posts, PKM, it sounds like Al was involved in attempts to get a pick? So what are we offering for our target PG? Harris? Sounds like we're talking two separate deals. And it sounds like we offered Al for a 1st to the 'other' team, cause I'd like to think Houston would want him, which makes me believe Houston is the team we're having PG talks with...so who would we prefer? Dragic or Lowry?
 
spycam1 said:
If we know we're talking to Houston and know we're targeting a PG, then Lowry and Dragic both seem very likely. As mentioned by others, Philly seems like a possibility for the 'other' team, so maybe Holiday is our target. Not sure how I would rank them, but I'd be very happy with any one of these three over Harris.

And from your posts, PKM, it sounds like Al was involved in attempts to get a pick? So what are we offering for our target PG? Harris? Sounds like we're talking two separate deals. And it sounds like we offered Al for a 1st to the 'other' team, cause I'd like to think Houston would want him, which makes me believe Houston is the team we're having PG talks with...so who would we prefer? Dragic or Lowry?
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Lowry by far. Dragic is good, but Lowry is very athletic and strong.
 
spycam1 said:
I think it's fairly close. Dragic lit it up after Lowry went down.
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Meh, on Dragic for me. He's not a bad player, can knock down shots. But is he really the PG for the future for us? I think not. Lowry & Holiday gets a 'semi-meh' from me too.

If we can't get a pick for Jefferson, I'd say let his contract expire and let Harris contract expire as well. Then pick up Harden as FA & then get our PG next year via the GSW pick.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Meh, on Dragic for me. He's not a bad player, can knock down shots. But is he really the PG for the future for us? I think not. Lowry & Holiday gets a 'semi-meh' from me too.

If we can't get a pick for Jefferson, I'd say let his contract expire and let Harris contract expire as well. Then pick up Harden as FA & then get our PG next year via the GSW pick.
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We're not looking for a superstar PG. A second tier PG is what we need, which is about what I would say Lowry is.

Also, what PG are you targeting in the 2013 draft? I'd take Lowry, Dragic, or Holiday over any PG in that draft, and maybe even this one, for that matter.
 
So what does Philly need? If the Jazz can get Holiday then maybe they'll take the expiring Devin Harris?

I dunno. Philly seems less likely to grab a PG from than Houston. They have Lou Williams and EVan Turner but neither seems like a true PG, so if I were them I wouldn't part with Holiday. But I really like Holiday so I'm trying to see a way that it would work. But I don't.
 
BENTLEY said:
So what does Philly need? If the Jazz can get Holiday then maybe they'll take the expiring Devin Harris?

I dunno. Philly seems less likely to grab a PG from than Houston. They have Lou Williams and EVan Turner but neither seems like a true PG, so if I were them I wouldn't part with Holiday. But I really like Holiday so I'm trying to see a way that it would work. But I don't.
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I agree that Houston seems like a more likely trade partner for a PG. The expiring contract of Harris might be of interest to them, as well as the GSW pick? Maybe another future first rounder? Not sure.
 
I'm not sure about Lowry or Dragic. But they've both looked good at times. I'd probably go with Lowry except he's only 6 feet tall. Although it's not like Dragic's 3 more inches really help him much anyway.
 
BENTLEY said:
I'm not sure about Lowry or Dragic. But they've both looked good at times. I'd probably go with Lowry except he's only 6 feet tall. Although it's not like Dragic's 3 more inches really help him much anyway.
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Lowry averaged about 14/7. He can shoot, drive, dish, and is still fairly young. I think he fits in with our future plans, as well as the present.

I think we as Jazz fans have been spoiled with PG's over the years, so when we see a guy who averages less than All-Star numbers, we're a little too critical. Lowry seems like a good fit, IMO.
 
spycam1 said:
Lowry averaged about 14/7. He can shoot, drive, dish, and is still fairly young. I think he fits in with our future plans, as well as the present.

I think we as Jazz fans have been spoiled with PG's over the years, so when we see a guy who averages less than All-Star numbers, we're a little too critical. Lowry seems like a good fit, IMO.
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Is Lowry really that much better than Harris?
 
spycam1 said:
14/7 > 11/5

He's a better shooter, and he's younger. If you don't like Lowry, who do you think we should be going after?
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Think about the systems they are in. Utah runs a lot of post up stuff, which is counter productive to high assist #'s for PG's. Also consider Harris had a few months of putrid productivity relative to his skill level.

Not saying Lowry isn't better, but it probably isn't by much.

Also, Lowry played 5 more minutes per game than Harris did.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
When did Holiday enter the discussion? He is not nearly as attainable as Dragic or Lowry are.
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spycam1 said:
As mentioned by others, Philly seems like a possibility for the 'other' team, so maybe Holiday is our target.
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I think earlier someone mentioned the jazz hoping to make a trade to acquire a 15-17 pick from either Houston, Philly, or Dallas. And then someone else mentioned KOC's chummy relationship with Philly and so if KOC wants a PG Holiday enters the discussion. There was other stuff too about the Jazz not being high on Marshall or Lillard, and how they want to acquire a PG via trade etc. There was also stuff about how much Harris sucks and Jefferson sucks and recurrent debates about the potential suckage of a number of prospects - Bradley Beal, MKG, Sullinger, Barnes, Lamb - to name a few. Also discussed was what to do if PJ3 falls to us at 8 but that was abandoned after Golden States won the coin flip and many did a round of their best chicken little impersonations. Mixed into the discussion here and there was some general ****ting on Bluesrocker and the perfunctory ignoring of CarolinaJazz. I may have missed a few things but that's pretty much how we got here.

I'm not doing this again. We're not even to the 7000th post yet.
 
Because of Holiday's age I just don't think he is attainable to what the Jazz are willing to give up.
 
spycam1 said:
14/7 > 11/5

He's a better shooter, and he's younger. If you don't like Lowry, who do you think we should be going after?
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No one.

Harris was 18th in the league in assists per 48 and 17th in A/TO ratio. That's not bad by any means.

Lowry had 9.86 assists per 48 (12th in the league) but just a 2.36 A:TO (bad for only 32nd in the league), was 40.9% from the field (way worse than Harris 44.5%) and was 37.4% ( a little better than Harris' 36.2%) from three with 4.6 rebounds and 1.6 steals. The latter two were both much better though our rebounding studs don't help Harris' numbers there. In any case, Lowry is a worse shooter, turns the ball over more, and has marginally better assists numbers. To me, he's not really an upgrade and to pay him 26M over 4 years or something is not only unwise as far as our books go right now, but also stupid going forward in that it would prohibit us from signing someone who truly helps a year or two later. A true difference maker. It's also silly from a roster perspective in that we at least know what we get with Harris. There's no drama there. He doesn't bitch about getting weak minutes for a starter. He's a decent human being. With Lowry, we might get a shipwreck if things don't go as hoped for all involved. It just doesn't make sense. None of these FA points do.

If we get the GS pick, go after Marshall. If we don't get it, consider someone like Machado in the 2nd round. There's no rush. We're young.
 
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