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NUMBERICA said:
For reference, Corbin signed a two-year deal with a team option for the third year shortly after Sloan bounced. I assume that means the contract went into effect this season, but maybe it started when he signed the deal? At any rate, it's not like the Jazz are paying Corbin $6 million a year and he signed a five-year deal. Eating <$2 million isn't the craziest thing I've ever heard of an organization doing.
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True. But this is the Jazz we are talking about. Coaches are not fired here, they quit when they feel like it.
 
NUMBERICA said:
This thread isn't about Corbin, it's about Rick Carlisle, who is definitely a top-tier coach. Corbin is not. To expect anyone to become as good or better than Carlisle is foolish. That's like saying we shouldn't trade Burks for Kevin Durant because we need to have some patience and see how Burks evolves as a player. The gap is that wide.
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Not according to a lot of Mav fans.
 
I guess I can give Ty one more shot. He has a lot of Sloan in him, but I think he will ease up.a littleIf not then I am going to be pretty pist off i But considering he hasnt had much time to work with guys and KOC set him up to look bad
 
bovice said:
Dallas won't let him go. He's a top 3 coach in the league. (Pop, Thib, then him)
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In the past few years, Utah had their chance at hiring two of these top 3 coaches.

But they preferred blind loyalty to a washed-up HoFer who didn't even enforce his own philosophy and then bailed on the team that had given him a carte blanche for decades.

Meanwhile, although these two available coaches are also falling hard this year in the post-season, they had pretty damn good showings last year. One of them has even gotten Boozer to play defense every once in a while; the other put the D back in Allas--and a championship trophy on Mark Cuban's mantle.

How'd that work out for ya, Greg Miller?
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
There are probably a ton of NBA fans who consider Tyrone Corbin a promising up and coming coach, but to Jazzfanz he is just a guy who won't play Demarre Carroll, Alec Burks, Derrick Favors, the UnderKanter, often anyone but Devin Harris at the PG spot, and sometimes Pogo-Stick Evans enough.
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Fixed.
 
Numberica, if you want a team to dump its fairly new coach for the new shiny model down the street, you're really rooting for the wrong team. You should change your allegiances immediately.
 
My allegiance lies with anything within reason that gives my team the best chance to win. I would be thrilled if Corbin is ever as good as Carlisle has been, but that's a ****ty bet to make.
 
NUMBERICA said:
My allegiance lies with anything within reason that gives my team the best chance to win. I would be thrilled if Corbin is ever as good as Carlisle has been, but that's a ****ty bet to make.
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Then we should hire Carlisle and fire him immediately. The teams he coached were better the year after he was fired, and in one of the two cases, won the NBA championship.
 
I honestly cannot comment on his pre-Mav days. All I can say is the work that he's done with the Mavericks is THE obvious difference between their top-heavy-but-couldn't-get-it-done era and how they have played in the last two seasons. I would have a tough time finding any coaching performance in history that was clearly more impressive than what he did last summer. But I'm not an expert.

But I certainly know enough to know he's better than Corbin right now, and the likelihood that Corbin ever displays what I've seen Carlisle bringing the last few years just doesn't seem likely.

I would love to eat my words with Corbin staying while he ushers in the Jazz's pinnacle era. It just doesn't seem likely.
 
Isn't it true the Mavs don't even run offensive sets? The just freestyle with Kidd, Dirk, and Terry.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I honestly cannot comment on his pre-Mav days. All I can say is the work that he's done with the Mavericks is THE obvious difference between their top-heavy-but-couldn't-get-it-done era and how they have played in the last two seasons. I would have a tough time finding any coaching performance in history that was clearly more impressive than what he did last summer. But I'm not an expert.

But I certainly know enough to know he's better than Corbin right now, and the likelihood that Corbin ever displays what I've seen Carlisle bringing the last few years just doesn't seem likely.

I would love to eat my words with Corbin staying while he ushers in the Jazz's pinnacle era. It just doesn't seem likely.
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You said yourself this isn't about Corbin.

And if you look at the Mavs under Carlisle and Avery Johnson, there isn't much difference, really. Three full years of Johnson in order: Lost finals, lost first round, lost first round. Under Carlisle: Lost second round, lost first round, won finals, lost first round. Only difference is the Mavs didn't choke in the finals. They succeeded. How much is the lack of choking on Carlisle? How much of it is on Nowitzki? I'd say at least 80-20 on Dirk, if not more.

Record wise, he's the same as Avery Johnson, who's record in New Jersey has been piss poor. I'd be much more concerned with the quality of players on the roster than the head coach, unless it's a coach who refuses to have an offensive and defensive philosophy like Mike Woodson, or something.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Isn't it true the Mavs don't even run offensive sets? The just freestyle with Kidd, Dirk, and Terry.
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Avery-era. This team runs sets. Real good ones. But they also can ad-lib and are good at that as well.

Carlisle is very smart about matchups. Dirk helps with that a lot, but Carlisle just got more out of everyone through just helping them play best together. A surprisingly rare trait to have, IMO.

The defense of these recent Maverick teams has been inspirational. Even with Haywood and a relatively depleted and aging roster, they were an effective defensive team.

And seriously, winning a championship is no small feat. More talented teams than his have failed. Every year, probably.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
You said yourself this isn't about Corbin.

And if you look at the Mavs under Carlisle and Avery Johnson, there isn't much difference, really. Three full years of Johnson in order: Lost finals, lost first round, lost first round. Under Carlisle: Lost second round, lost first round, won finals, lost first round. Only difference is the Mavs didn't choke in the finals. They succeeded. How much is the lack of choking on Carlisle? How much of it is on Nowitzki? I'd say at least 80-20 on Dirk, if not more.

Record wise, he's the same as Avery Johnson, who's record in New Jersey has been piss poor. I'd be much more concerned with the quality of players on the roster than the head coach, unless it's a coach who refuses to have an offensive and defensive philosophy like Mike Woodson, or something.
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Look man, that's fine and good. I just know what I've seen. I know I usually try to base my opinions on hard evidence, but I just know what I've seen. His team won the NBA finals for a reason, and it's not just Dirk's confidence. I know the idea that a coach is critically important in the NBA is not a terribly popular one.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Avery-era. This team runs sets. Real good ones. But they also can ad-lib and are good at that as well.

Carlisle is very smart about matchups. Dirk helps with that a lot, but Carlisle just got more out of everyone through just helping them play best together. A surprisingly rare trait to have, IMO.

The defense of these recent Maverick teams has been inspirational. Even with Haywood and a relatively depleted and aging roster, they were an effective defensive team.

And seriously, winning a championship is no small feat. More talented teams than his have failed. Every year, probably.
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You sure? I remember hearing multiple announcers say that is what they have been doing the past couple of years because of Jason Kidd.
 
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