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SiroMar said:
I don't think Cy is trolling here. I don't see how Kanter can ever move laterally as well as Ibaka. Those expectations are somewhat unreasonable. Ibaka is very quick footed and athletic. Kanter is thick and relies heavily on his upper body strength.
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Me either. He just likes fighting with NAOS. So he will nit pick.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
I think you are pointing passed a ceiling and at the moon. Kanter can improve his movements, but he will never be able to touch Ibaka's ability to move laterally.
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From what I've heard from "those who know", professional NBA guys of various sorts, Ibaka is a mediocre defender save for his shot-blocking. I've not watched him enough to appreciate his lateral movement. Kanter isn't bad in this respect though. I'm more concerned with the speed with which he explodes.
 
dalamon said:
A ceiling is a ceiling, I have no idea what the hell you're trying to say here. Hopefully he hits that level? Will he? Probably not, but why not pull for him?
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You need to get back to studying. You don't have the time or the need to get into this!
 
NAOS said:
I want him moving laterally nearly as well as Ibaka. If he can do that (and therefore guard the PnR even better) and continue to clean the glass, then he has a bright future. I fully expect his offensive game to develop on its own in every aspect except for passing (which I'm very concerned about; I don't know who he should work with on this, but I hope he is).
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I want Alec Burks to turn into a game changer like Michael Jordan and Gordan Hayward to learn how to finish as well as Durant. Good grief, at least make a reasonable comparison. Kanter and Ibaka have completely different body types, Kanter can bust his *** as much as he wants, but he will NEVER be able to move laterally like Ibaka. His body type just isn't meant for those types of quick movements. Clearly it's a good goal for him to have, but keep it reasonable dude.
 
dalamon said:
A ceiling is a ceiling, I have no idea what the hell you're trying to say here. Hopefully he hits that level? Will he? Probably not, but why not pull for him?
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A ceiling is a point of maximum ability for a player. Every player has a different ceiling height. What I'm trying to say there is no way he can get close to Ibaka's lateral movement, so to say he can would be like pointing to the moon, because it is unattainable to get that high for him.

We can just hope he can get as good as he can get.
 
NAOS said:
Kanter's lane agility and sprint numbers (at the combine) were very good. Sooo much of his "lack of athleticism" is due to game experience; nothing but rebounding was translating very easily.

He'll never touch Ibaka's leaping ability (obviously), but I was clearly talking about another aspect of athleticism.
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A lot of what Ibaka has is called "quick-twitch muscles". That's a layman's term, but I don't want to get too in-depth with you. You can improve those types of muscles, but not by a lot. It just isn't feasible to expect Kanter to move like Ibaka.
 
Hantlers said:
I want Alec Burks to turn into a game changer like Michael Jordan and Gordan Hayward to learn how to finish as well as Durant. Good grief, at least make a reasonable comparison. Kanter and Ibaka have completely different body types, Kanter can bust his *** as much as he wants, but he will NEVER be able to move laterally like Ibaka. His body type just isn't meant for those types of quick movements. Clearly it's a good goal for him to have, but keep it reasonable dude.
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Hantlers, thank you for being sane and rational.
 
But, what Kanter has the Ibaka lacks is size he doesn't have to move as quickly if he can take up space, out muscle his opponent, and push his opponent off of his sweet spots. I do think that Kanter can gain explosiveness Shaq wasn't out jumping anyone he was unstoppable because of his explosiveness and his size.
 
JJAS said:
From what I've heard from "those who know", professional NBA guys of various sorts, Ibaka is a mediocre defender save for his shot-blocking. I've not watched him enough to appreciate his lateral movement. Kanter isn't bad in this respect though. I'm more concerned with the speed with which he explodes.
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Yes, he isn't a perfect defender, but he was also incredibly raw coming into the NBA. He has improved every year on his overall defense and it's getting much better. He has all the athletic ability, length, and size to be a top 10 defender and he isn't far away from being that at this current time.
 
NAOS said:
He can significantly improve from where he is right now simply by developing a better feel for the game. If he also does appropriate training + sets his goals on this aspect of his game, then he'll go way beyond where Cyrone Torbin thinks he can go. Quote me.
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I have no idea where he can exactly go. I know where he can't go and that is on Ibaka's level of athletic movements. I have no problem betting any amount of money on that.

Kanter isn't some dump athlete who is getting his first athletic training session. Does he have room for improvement? Hell yeah, everyone does, but the work he is going to put in isn't go to have astronomical effects. It's more like fine-tuning. He isn't going to come out next year and be Ibaka, he will just be a slightly more in shape Kanter.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
I have no idea where he can exactly go. I know where he can't go and that is on Ibaka's level of athletic movements. I have no problem betting any amount of money on that.

Kanter isn't some dump athlete who is getting his first athletic training session. Does he have room for improvement? Hell yeah, everyone does, but the work he is going to put in isn't go to have astronomical effects. It's more like fine-tuning. He isn't going to come out next year and be Ibaka, he will just be a slightly more in shape Kanter.
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not even you, Dr. Descartes, can doubt that Kanter is incredibly raw and almost totally laking game experience. His getting a greater feel for the game is a process that is just starting, and it stands to do much more for his game than a mere 'fine-tuning'. Of course it's ALWAYS POSSIBLE he won't make any more improvements, but there is a lot of potential that isn't tapped. In these respects, he is again similar to Ibaka.
 
... this is the point at which I expect you to hold tightly to the "ALWAYS POSSIBLE he won't...".

Go ahead... say something... you'll feel better.
 
NAOS said:
not even you, Dr. Descartes, can doubt that Kanter is incredibly raw and almost totally laking game experience. His getting a greater feel for the game is a process that is just starting, and it stands to do much more for his game than a mere 'fine-tuning'. Of course it's ALWAYS POSSIBLE he won't make any more improvements, but there is a lot of potential that isn't tapped. In these respects, he is again similar to Ibaka.
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I didn't know when this turned into a discussion about his basketball ability. We are just talking about his ability to move and be athletic.
 
Most NBA players are already above-average athletes so taking part in specialized training such as P3 usually only results in marginal benefits - but I expect to see some huge gains from Kanter because his biggest problem IMO is balance, core stability and explosion. He simply can't get off the ground quickly enough - he always has to gather himself before going up. Too often he catches the ball flat-footed at the rim but brings the ball down below his waist to gather himself before going up strong. He also has a promising jump hook but too often he relies on the up&under because he lacked the balance and lift to go straight up. Not expecting him to become an explosive dunker, but being able to dunk the basketball from a flat-footed position will make him a much more effective player.
 
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