Hollinger REALLY high on the Jazz
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Yeah, but we are an impatient bunch here. If KOC didn't go for it all this year, he is a failure. (Sarcasm)
I like the direction, and can wait another couple of years for the young guys to mature.
UGLI baby
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lol
The Thriller
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Yeah, I know.
But look at what we have. Burks can get to the basket, but cannot shoot from the outside. Hayward can finish real well on the break, but has yet to show real ability to create and score (from the outside). kanter? Has a very long way to go. Like I said, people kept pimping him up to be this Pau Gasol or Dirk type international star. Lets be realistic. If he turns out to be Luis Scola, we should celebrate.
Favors is really the "only" guy that has proven much.
Ontop of everything, we have yet to see a coach that knows how to use timeouts, adjust, or exploit matchups. Just look at what Boston is doing right now. They're exploiting matchups. Lobbing that ball up to KG. Look at what OKC did, adjusted and put Sef on Parker. Look at what these teams will do in the next game or two. Adjustments.
Corbin? Never any adjustments. Keeps everything the same and continues to hit his head against a brick wall. Look at how many of us complained about not seeing our Tripod lineup? Well... Eventually he used it. When? In game 4? When we were already down and outta the series?
green
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43% from the floor 33% from three. That isn't bad for a rookie with limited playing time, no defined role, and no preseason to learn anything. The kid ain't a prodigy, but he is a really good player.
Wade - 46 and 30.
Durant - 43 and 28
Westbrook - 39 and 27
Joe Johnson - 43 and 27
Korver 35 and 39
Dirk - 40 and 21
Kobe - 41 and 37
You get the point. Those are all those guys' rookie numbers. Burks fits right in. Burks has the talent, does he have the work ethic or the coach to take advantage? We will see.
46% fg 35% 3 pt. That ain't bad. 3 assists, 1.7 turnovers. Not great, but not bad, especially when your offense is give the ball to Jefferson and then stand around.
The Jazz have two problems right now. Al Jefferson and Ty Corbin. I believe that had KOC not brought in Jefferson, Deron and Sloan would still be here. The guy is the worst thing to happen to team basketball. He is a Carmello, Marbury, McGrady, etc. He gets his, no matter what. Problem number two is Corbin. The Jazz have talent, they have promise, they have cap room, they have trade pieces. They are in a prime position. If KOC can somehow turn Jefferson into a first round pick this year, he would be a genius.
orangello
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Great points.
Hantlers
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Once again, you're taking where the players are at now and using that against them. Not one of those 4 is over 22 years old. Believe it or not, they still have the ability to improve. I know...shocking, isn't it? Young players can improve.
Not one person has compared Enes to Pau or Dirk or even Scola...mainly because those would be terrible comparisons. Enes is a banger with a good mid-range shot, just because he's from Europe doesn't mean you have to compare him to a European. But I guess we should have expected a 19 year old who hasn't played competitive basketball in over a year to just light up the NBA..I mean, how dare he not be ready to go right away?!
I'm not saying that any of these guys are going to turn in Jordan/Kobe/LeBron, but we have a damn good core right now with our young guys and it is a reason to be optimistic.
Hantlers
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What I have bolded is why I wish that Al was an ******* of a player. He's such a nice guy that I just have a hard time rooting against him. I know that he's not a good fit for our team and that if we want to get better, he needs to go but I still want him to do well. I really like the guy.
The worst thing to happen to team basketball had one of the best TO:Ast ratio's for a big man in the league.
Stop with the hyperbole.
Stop with the hyperbole.
Hantlers
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Shhh....facts and stats aren't allowed here.
In all seriousness though, Big Al has to go.
It would be awesome if he is gone, but it really doesn't have to happen til 2013.
green
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Bring him off the bench, tell him he isn't getting ring if he doesn't play defense, not let him post up and wait until everyone stops moving before Al makes a move, quit shooting contested 18 footers, the list goes on.
I completely agree.
vslice02
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Probably the same thing he did with ball-stoppers like Richard Jefferson and Roger Mason - trade/let 'em go.
Over the years R.C. Buford and the Spurs have targeted virtually every type of player - aging veterans/undrafted rookies, American/International prospects, 1-dimensional shooters/tough-minded defenders - but the one thing they've never gone after is a bigman who was solely a low-post player. In the first half of the decade they had Duncan in his prime to dominate the low block, but now they place a premium on bigs who are versatile enough run pick&rolls, think on their feet, and most importantly keep the ball moving. Al Jefferson is sort of the antithesis of what the Spurs are all about.
No, apparently you don't.
Do you even watch this team? Gordon Hayward, the teams best man defender last season, was used in multiple match-ups from Kobe to Durant to Dirk. Your hyperbole is tiresome.
I want to kiss you on the lips.
Why would you go after a low post scorer when you have Tim Duncan?
Also, they have Tiaggo Splitter, who is considered a pick n roll big, but other than that, post ups are largely his game because he doesn't really have a jumper.
The Thriller
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Sure they can improve.
But their improvement might bring us up a seed or two.
Just look at the elite teams in the league. The final 4 teams each have at least 3 franchise players.
OKC: Durant, Westbrook, Harden
SA: Duncan, Parker, Ginobli
BOS: KG, Allen, Pierce, Rondo
Miami: Wade, James, Bosh
We have maybe one (Favors).
And even if we had Miami's big 3, I'm not sold that Corbin would use them correctly.
Think Eric Spolstra would have caved to friggin Raja Bell's bitching? Who else in this ENTIRE league would have played Watson over Tinsley? Josh Howard over Hayward?
On the flip side, think Pop would create an offense (only) based on Al Jefferson's post up game? How many times would Jefferson been benched for not rotating by Tibs? Think Phil Jackson would have immediately made Josh Howard a starter in the playoffs after not playing for a month due to injury? Think Pat Riley would have allowed his team to drop games to the tpups, lost to NO twice, etc?
Look right now. Doc Rivers has made adjustments. Eric Spolstra went small ball last game and it made a difference. Pops will insert Blair and play Neal more due to Diaw's and Green's ineffectiveness. Brooks already made an adjustment by putting Sef on Parker.
I haven't seen that kind of innovation... Motivation... Or coaching in YEARS from this franchise.
So continue to flame on. But all I'm asking is for us to stay realistic. We don't have a draft pick for this draft as of right now.... We aren't going to score big in FA no matter how much money we have due to Utah being... Well... Utah. We'll have to overspend to keep our own FAs. And we still need at least 2 more franchise players to compete for a title.
The Thriller
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You obviously never read any scouting reports.... Nor read anyone on this board... Nor have read any quote on Enes describing himself.
IMO, if he can play like Kendrick Perkins, that will be good.
BTW, Enes played basically how i expected this year. I know that I didn't expect much. I did however, hope that we would have traded one of our bigs in order to make way for more PT for Favors and Kanter.