Is this thread now the official "Find Out Who NAOS Is" thread?
Tony Wroten Jr?
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Darkwing Duck
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What's the point of the original thread? Discussing a guy not taken by the Jazz in the later stages of the draft? This is much more entertaining.
I am in full agreement.
Archie Moses
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This is golden.
I remember saying he had a sex addiction problem and that Jeff Hornaceck gave him a 2 hour lesson how to shoot. Those are the tidbits I will put forth to this investigation.
He also posted a thread about needing to bulk up because he was afraid of getting beat up in Europe (I think that was him), so look for a skinny kid.
He also posted a thread about needing to bulk up because he was afraid of getting beat up in Europe (I think that was him), so look for a skinny kid.
Archie Moses
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Here's a question for Kicky. If the bench press doesn't show any importance and/or show if they player will succeed in the NBA, would you have wanted to draft Enes Kanter if he couldn't bench 185 once? Why or why not? Also, I bet 95% of All-Star caliber players can bench 185 at least 5 times. Strength does matters.
GVC
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Literacy does not.
Archie Moses
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Archie Moses
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P.S. I like a extra "s" every now and then.
Darkwing Duck
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at least his isn't 'forced.'
Favors Flave
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Wow, just read this whole thing
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To be totally honest I wouldn't have cared. And that's because I'm pretty sure that it's not predictive of anything.
In looking at past NBA Combine results of Centers who were actually drafted those numbers are all over the map.
Tyson Chandler has one of the lowest results ever for centers (twice) and his career has generally turned out fine. The highest guy ever is Paul Miller (25 reps) I've never heard of him.
https://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pr...source=All&sort2=DESC&draft=100&pos=5&sort=14
The top bench rep centers since 2000 are Miller, Derek Character, Emeka Okafor, Al Horford and Devon Hardin. Two of those guys made it, the others didn't.
The bottom five bench rep centers sine 2000 are Marcus Douthit, Ernest Brown, Tyson Chandler, Peter Ramos, and Al Jefferson. Two of those guys made it, the
That's the story up and down those results regardless of position. If you'd ever looked (I suspect you haven't) you'd see that too. Doesn't seem to matter at all. And that doesn't even take account of the draftees that refused to even do the drill (Demarcus Cousins and Greg Oden to name a couple) presumably because it wouldn't have yielded impressive results. Dwight Howard of all people came up significantly below average in his bench press combine measurements for his position (7 reps). So yeah, I think making any decisions where that's a major factor is foolish. I would have evaluated pretty much everything else first.
As for your assertion re: All-Star caliber players, that's inherently unprovable as to what they could bench today. If we look at combine results however, you're almost assuredly wrong. First of all we already know Kevin Durant had zero reps so that makes it only 23 of 24 possible in the first place and several (something like half) of the 2012 all-stars never even took the test at the combine. Andre Iguodala failed your benchmark as well and several previous all-stars such as Josh Howard, Caron Butler, and Rajon Rondo failed the same benchmark.
So no, I don't think your totally arbitrary number means all that much.
Chandler came out of HS, so of course his #'s are going to be low. He has bulked up considerably since then. Same with Jefferson (on a lesser extent, but most players coming out of HS are going to be weak).
Not the case for all high school players. Kwame Brown and Eddy Curry ranked quite high on the bench press test straight out of high school. So did 19 year old Nene and a host of other younger players
Even if you're right that means that we can throw them entirely out for guys below some certain undefined age. Tony Wroten is 19. So are his bench press numbers presumptively invalid?
Go through the numbers yourself and draw any distinction you want. If you can find some correlation between success in the bench press and success in the NBA then you're better at looking than I am. One of the best Centers ever tested was Channing freaking Frye. We think of him as a rail thin and weak player in the league. The bench press difference between Frye and Kevin Love is 1. And it's in Frye's favor. The examples are super numerous.
I'm not trying to logic it out or explain why I think something might or might not matter. All I'm doing is looking at the numbers with the benefit of knowing about how these careers played out afterwards. If you do the same I don't know how you could say it's in any way predictive.