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Paul Ryan thinks you're a ****ing retard

How come post 39 wasn't /thread?

You mean the post where you admitted to the lies in a speech you didn't hear while continuing to operate under the assumption (that you created yourself) that both left and right lie equally?

Yeah, that wasn't /thread

Dude, I like you. I like that you post here. You just seem stretched thin in these discussions lately. I think you are a fair guy overall. Sincerely.
 
I think in general the Republican party thinks we are idiots. They dumb everything down. I do see the point of tObama needing to connec better(i think hes done a poor job selling some key issues), but aren't you happy he's not dumbing it down to level of some politicians? I for one am happy he's smarter than I am. Raise the bar.

Yes the GOP dumbs things down. That does not mean that the people doing so are dumb. Just disengenous. Obama is a very smart man. However dumbing it down has never been the lefts game.
 
my original point was about the Ryan speech. I've been badgering attempts to distract from that point. If we are finally ready to talk about it, then I'm still here.
 
You mean the post where you admitted to the lies in a speech you didn't hear while continuing to operate under the assumption (that you created yourself) that both left and right lie equally?

Yeah, that wasn't /thread

Dude, I like you. I like that you post here. You just seem stretched thin in these discussions lately. I think you are a fair guy overall. Sincerely.

So the post where I went back and found some lies, pretty quick I might add, and acknowledge that you are right he lied is not good enough for you? Then why even hound me to get me to say that? Fail

I like you as well but do not pretend that this thread was designed for anything other than what you got.
 
Ryan lied about the debt, saying Obama "has added more debt than any other president before him," when the truth is, that was George W. Bush -- who added over $5 trillion to the debt thanks in large part to congressional votes cast by Paul Ryan.

I didn't see the speech, but this "fact check" by Ms. Madow is not accurate:

8 years of Bush:

Starting national debt - 5.728 T
Ending national debt - 10.627 T

10.627 T - 5.728 T = 4.899 T added

Obama in less than 4 years:

Starting National debt - 10.6257 T
Current National debt - 15.992 T

15.992 T - 10.6257 T = 5.336 T added
 
The combination of lies put forth by politicians and the media has lead to the most uniformed and uneducated generation in our country's history. Our society is going down the tube, but the people who can fix it only care about ratings and polls.

Edit: and if I were to assign portions of blame it would be 80% blame on the media and 20% blame on the politicians.


You are assuming the the electorate was ever well informed or educated. This is most likely a faulty hypothesis.
 
my original point was about the Ryan speech. I've been badgering attempts to distract from that point. If we are finally ready to talk about it, then I'm still here.

You simply wanted an admission that he lied. He did. What do you want to specifically discuss?
 
I didn't see the speech, but this "fact check" by Ms. Madow is not accurate:

8 years of Bush:

Starting national debt - 5.728 T
Ending national debt - 10.627 T

10.627 T - 5.728 T = 4.899 T added

Obama in less than 4 years:

Starting National debt - 10.6257 T
Current National debt - 15.992 T

15.992 T - 10.6257 T = 5.336 T added

Of course it is not. It is Mrs. Hannity I mean Maddow.
 
again, why should I have to do that in this thread about Ryan's speech? one good reason will do.

Because this thread has for large portions failed to stay on topic. You even called /thread on a point ofther than the original topic.

You claim that you are not ablind follower of the Dems but fail to provide anything to back up your stance. Sounds like the typical smoke and mirrors that a politican would use.
 
I didn't see the speech, but this "fact check" by Ms. Madow is not accurate:

8 years of Bush:

Starting national debt - 5.728 T
Ending national debt - 10.627 T

10.627 T - 5.728 T = 4.899 T added

Obama in less than 4 years:

Starting National debt - 10.6257 T
Current National debt - 15.992 T

15.992 T - 10.6257 T = 5.336 T added

you quoted words I posted, but words that aren't mine. Since you are invested in academic honesty, you may want to edit that.
 
I think in general the Republican party thinks we are idiots. They dumb everything down. I do see the point of tObama needing to connec better(i think hes done a poor job selling some key issues), but aren't you happy he's not dumbing it down to level of some politicians? I for one am happy he's smarter than I am. Raise the bar.

Obama also thought he was smarter, clearly, when he stated that he will see that the healthcare bill is passed regardless the level of opposition .. something about him knowing more about what's best than the general populace. Though that is likely true, it does demonstrate, again, that both parties are guilty of this bs.
 
Obama also thought he was smarter, clearly, when he stated that he will see that the healthcare bill is passed regardless the level of opposition .. something about him knowing more about what's best than the general populace. Though that is likely true, it does demonstrate, again, that both parties are guilty of this bs.

again, this example from Obama does not equal the flamethrowing lies of Ryan last night. Why is this hard to admit?
 
again, this example from Obama does not equal the flamethrowing lies of Ryan last night. Why is this hard to admit?

Are you completely trolling? You're being quite strange. I admitted that Ryan was lying a long time ago. What's wrong with you today?
 
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