October 17th - UTAH JAZZ vs. Los Angeles Clippers (8:30pm MST)
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Hotdog
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This.
For the most part, I want Al gone, but if he can learn to pass more and keep the ball moving, I can learn to like him. He can even get a pass on some things. Like his defense. Because if we have Favors playing next to him, he can clean up his mistakes.
GVC
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I thought this was a Utah Jazz message board. The Deron-Boozer offenses were pretty damn effective running very little out of isos. With that said, if Utah doesn't find someone who can effectively run an offense, leveraging defenses by getting the ball to teammates at spots and in situations where they can succeed, it's likely halfcourt efficiency would take a hit without Jefferson (could get pretty ugly). Either way, Kanter looks pretty good right now, and I don't see how he and Al on the court at the same time is going to work. There don't seem to be nearly as significant complementarity issues between any of the other bigs, so when Kanter is ready for big minutes (30+...could be there pretty quick), it's time for Al to go (especially considering the superior defense, rebounding and transition play you get from Kanter). Kanter-Favors-Millsap may be less effective in the halfcourt, but they'll be terrors on the offensive glass and in transition, and complement each other very well on both sides of the ball.
spycam1
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Totally agree. But I think Jefferson would be much more likely to play for us for less money. Sap is going to want a pay day, and I can't blame him. The only way I see us keeping Sap is by overpaying him (which would be even dumber for us than most teams considering we have two #3 picks sitting on the bench).
I wasn't watching that part of the game, and my DVR unfortunately tried to record the NBATV feed so I ended up with 100 minutes of "this channel is not broadcasting the game".
+rep for anyone who posts a link to the play so I can watch it.
Go to "The Block/DUnk (Video)" thread.
The best ones.
I was at the game last night. Besides being disappointed and confused that neither Mo Williams or Derrick Favors played and the Jazz loss, it was an exciting and competitive pre-season game. The 3rd quarter has often been a nemesis for the Jazz and it appears that this season may be know different. Kobe was having target practice in the 3rd quarter on Tuesday and the Clippers came back from a double-digit deficit to take the lead. With the exception of Foye, Evans and Carroll, the Jazz looked exhausted in the second half. Gordon, who had a strond 1st quarter, went weak in the second half and didn't close out on a big corner 3 from Matt Barnes. The guys were going soft to the rim, so the Clippers were getting blocks and rebounds. Kanter, who I think could lead the league in rebounding if he played 30+ minutes, missed a key rebound in the clutch. I found it interesting that the Jazz weren't running too many plays into Jefferson in the post. If he was getting the ball, it was often far from the basket. I am definitely excited by Utah's depth for this season, but I fear the starting line-up will leave little too surprise. Since it appears that Millsap will be again the starting 4, the defense will struggle and Utah is failing to take advantage of their size. If the Lakers can start Howard, Gasol, and MWP, than Utah can start Jefferson, Favors, and Millsap (or Marvin W.). Millsap and MWP are about the same size, but thankfully for the Jazz, Millsap doesn't just park himself in the corner and airball 3s.
candrew
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That's how The Lakers did it in the 80's with Kareem.
My fear is once the regular season starts all this running stops and the rest of the team slows down to match Jefferson's pace/skill set.
Hopefully the coaching staff keeps telling them to run. It seems to be working fairly well so far, so I'm not sure why they wouldn't keep it up.
spycam1
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Because they'll be tired.
They're building up their conditioning now so they can play like this all season.
candrew
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I agree - but the difference is in the pre-season you don't need Jefferson to score 15-18 points each game to win. In the regular season things change. Slowing down is certainly not the right thing to do; but when you don't have strong leadership these are the types of bad habits a team will tend to fall back on.
That's a very good point. I think, however, the Jazz do have a strong leader in Mo Williams. If Coach Corbin wants the Jazz to push the ball, he'll make it happen. My other thought is that the Jazz aren't trying to be the D'Antoni Suns. The idea is to push the ball and take advantage of any opportunities that creates. If nothing's there, then they'll be in the offense earlier and can work in the half court.
EDIT: I tried to rep you for your post, but I must have rep'd you recently because I have to spread it around.
The D'Antoni Suns are the Gold Standard in terms of transition offense. Their problem wasn't their offense, it was that they couldn't stop a nosebleed defensively and never caught a break. If the Jazz could run like those teams (which they're short a transcendent PG), we should all be very excited. The Jazz defense wouldn't be as bad, especially if Jefferson's gone. The Jazz are athletic, deep (which allows to keep more players fresh), and have a substantial altitude advantage (which carries to all altitudes), so if they're committed, there's no reason for it to be anything but an advantage.
And on this point, a big reason the Suns were so successful in transition is because their bigs ran the floor. That's where you really set yourself apart in transition. Karl Malone is a case-study of this.
The Jazz are building a team where the obvious answer is transition. They need a real PG that can PnR so that Jefferson's game is no longer needed in the halfcourt, allow the young guys minutes and OPPORTUNITIES, and to allow Favors to shine. On top of all of this, if you have Kanter and whoever running the floor, you're going to beat at least one of the other team's bigs 90% of the time, and if you want to exploit a mismatch there early you're more able to. I also think Kanter will eventually be rich-man's Al eventually, but even if that doesn't happen, being able to PnR and spread the floor significantly improves your ability to execute a half-court set if the early offense isn't there.
The Suns were never an elite defensive team under D'Antoni, but in his four full seasons coaching the Suns they ranked between 13 and 17 in defensive rating. Unfortunately that was never quite good enough in the playoffs.
For a "contender", that's terrible. Their pace of play inflated total scores, but average defensive teams very, very rarely get it done. So "couldn't stop a nosebleed" was hyperbolic, but their problem was defense. Defense starts with your C, and Amare has never been a very good rebounder, and a simply atrocious defender. You're not going to be able to hide that problem defensively very well, even though D'Antoni tried to mask Amare and bad team defensive fundamentals with Bell, Marion, and Diaw. That's not going to get it done, though.
Also remember that good defense is the father of transition opportunities.
That's a very good way of putting it.
I believe the Jazz have a chance to be an elite defensive team. They have three above average defensive (and one emerging top-tier) bigs that all rebound well and that's where it all starts. There's enough defensive ability in the perimeter players to take advantage of that advantage, but the biggest determining factor in success is coaching. I believe Corbin wants it, I believe he knows what should work, the verdict is still out on whether he has the proper attention of the team. Hopefully that's improved in the last year. Getting rid of a big that is hopeless guarding in space would go a very long way as well.