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Is Hayward a victim of reverse racism on this board?

kennykyle said:
They can be racist but does anyone give a ****? The only time racism is really a problem is when one race is holding another down. I dont care if an african american doesnt like me, but if he doesnt like me and is my boss then there is a problem.
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So you are saying racism has nothing to do with racism.

It's all about power over someone else. If race is not the key factor, then it is not racism, it's something else.
 
One Brow said:
You can still have racist thought, opinions, cognitive short-cuts, etc. Everyone has them. That is not racism.

You can even have racially discriminative actions, that don't upset an equal power balance, if such a balance were to exist. This might be because such actions don't distrub the equilibrium or form a dynamic equilibrium. That is not racism.

Racism is when these thoughts, opinions, cognitive short-cuts, and discriminative actions combine to form a culture where people, either directly or indirectly, have their actions treated with different values, their personhood compressed and otherized, their opportunites curtailed, etc. There is no reverse racism. Racism requires teh existence of a group held as the normal, and by definition such a group is not marginalized.
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kennykyle said:
Racism is an action, not a thought or opinion.
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One Brow said:
Racism is a system, one that accepts and promotes both thoughts and actions in a feedback cycle.
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Thoughts lead directly to actions, whether small are large.

Racism can be seen by the actions, but it stems from the thoughts.

A person can be racist and not act on those ideas, and yet still be racist. Usually those thoughts lead to words, and if unrestrained will usually turn to actions from that point.

Please tell me what action in the human existence did not start first with a thought?

Racism can start with one person, and be contained in one person.

We can agree to disagree on this. You view racism as starting somewhere more advanced than I believe. I see it as starting in the thoughts on the individual level. You don't see it as racism until more people are involved if I understand you correctly OB.
 
If you guys want to know how racism is evolves and advances gradually, watch this movie. The movie is more about fascism and discrimination but this notions very close to each other and got same morals ideologicly.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1063669/

In my opinion racism starts with when you feel privileged, not personally but as an ethnical group from other ethnic sections of society and advances when you perform minor or more radical acts against the other sections of society.

OP; I don't think there is a "reverse" racism (whatever that means..) against Hayward and if there is a hate against Hayward on this board it must be about his overall performance as a player and his "reverse" lay-ups.
 
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JazzSpazz said:
I see it as starting in the thoughts on the individual level. You don't see it as racism until more people are involved if I understand you correctly OB.
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I think it's good vocaulary to use different words for different concepts. I can see actions as being based in cognitive shorcuts that are racist in nature, and have no problem saying those are racist actions. However, racism is a property of a culture, not a person.
 
CitizenofCapua said:
In my opinion racism starts with when you feel privileged, not personally but as an ethnical group from other ethnic sections of society and advances when you perform minor or more radical acts against the other sections of society.
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Unfortunately, a great deal of racism is unconcious. I don't think most police in NYC overtly say or think that young black/Hispanic men are more suspicious. However, they are quicker to interpret their behavior as suspicious. Restaurant owners won't overtly say or think that black applicants are criminal, but they hire and position white criminals in about the same way as black non-criminals.
 
One Brow said:
You can still have racist thought, opinions, cognitive short-cuts, etc. Everyone has them. That is not racism.

You can even have racially discriminative actions, that don't upset an equal power balance, if such a balance were to exist. This might be because such actions don't distrub the equilibrium or form a dynamic equilibrium. That is not racism.

Racism is when these thoughts, opinions, cognitive short-cuts, and discriminative actions combine to form a culture where people, either directly or indirectly, have their actions treated with different values, their personhood compressed and otherized, their opportunites curtailed, etc. There is no reverse racism. Racism requires teh existence of a group held as the normal, and by definition such a group is not marginalized.
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Yes it is.
 
Just read this topic. Wow, this place is seriously a goldmine of ignorance sometimes.
 
...by the way, I'm getting out of this thread.....before I get slapped with 9 infractions and 12 violations by the Jazzfanz ethics committee!
 
One Brow said:
Unfortunately, a great deal of racism is unconcious. I don't think most police in NYC overtly say or think that young black/Hispanic men are more suspicious. However, they are quicker to interpret their behavior as suspicious. Restaurant owners won't overtly say or think that black applicants are criminal, but they hire and position white criminals in about the same way as black non-criminals.
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....personally, I'm not hiring a guy who comes in loaded with jailhouse tats, his pants to the ground, and his cap on sideways......I don't care what race or color he is!
 
Stoked said:
So if I think "He's a dumbass becasue he's a beaner" that isn't racist?

Bullcrap.
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Clearly that is racist. It would be racist if he thought something of you because you are white. The difference he (one brow) is trying to explain (at least I think) is that racism by definition and to make things easier to discuss is not individual it is a culture. I think everyone is racist to some level and people being racist is a problem on all levels but racism is the issue of the minority being oppressed by the majority.

On that note the one issue for me that gets confusing South Africa. Their racism issues are confusing to me. I guess the the majority is defined as controlling the money not by number of people or who is in charge of the government. Making white people who are less than 5% of the population still the problem for racism in their country.
 
HeavenHarris said:
personally i dont care if someone wears their cap on sideways. but maybe thats just because im not very racialist.
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....well, the way I got it figured, if he doesn't know what way the cap was designed to be worn, and he can't figure that out, how is he suppose to give back correct change, or get an order right? Can't take the chance! Has nothing to do with being a "racialist"
 
carolinajazz said:
...so exactly how many customers would I draw to my restaurant if all my employees or most of my employees dressed and looked like the person I just described?
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Zero. Because you'd never own said hypothetical business because you're too ignorant to run your own life let alone a restaurant.
 
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