Ellipse
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Don't throw up strawmen. Apparently you've missed the point of our complaints.
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Don't throw up strawmen. Apparently you've missed the point of our complaints.
CAKAR
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The biggest improvement on Kanter is on his defense, he was bad on that before he entert the Jazz. But, his offense always was beastly and he had a good range. The Kid has shown good improvement, but for more he needs more playing time.
The Big-Brother story is something normal for turks and I know many of them. Enes is just respectfull on AL, becausse he is older and also a nice guy.
If you ask me ? Al is a BIG-BROTHER for all of us, also for dutchjazzer.
So you think Kanter secretly hates and despises Al for playing ahead of him?
I hate how part of this board acts like they know exactly what Kanter thinks and feels. The dude seems genuinely happy (and yeah I can say that because it's pretty obvious through his body language and the things he actually says, not imaginary thoughts y'all make up through your own dislikes and complaints).
What exactly do you think it's hurting the team concept other than boring fans out of the arena? Fan apathy is understandable...we all have it. Even so, I don't see how it's hurting the organization from a winning perspective outside the longshot of obtaining a top draft pick to add to what the young core lacks. That's Jazz ball and a big reason why many fans appreciate the organization.
Hell, go read a Suns forum and see how much they love instant gratification. They're looking at a 4-5 year rebuild, minimum. What kind of hell is that for a fan to go through?
Sneakers
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I also think that a team in this type of small tiny market, especially during these volatile team-snatching times, runs a mega risk if they were to have several consecutive losing seasons. So I can certainly see that angle. I would rather have the Jazz to bitch and be furious at than have no Jazz at all.
GVC
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Not sure how the situations are comparable. Did the Suns have a bunch of productive top picks playing behind veterans? Seems like they had Nash, role players and nothing else. Now they don't have Nash.
dipship31
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No I get it, it's nice having a moderately competitive team year in year out, but I think a lot of us are just thinking how far off would we fall if Al Jefferson magically wasn't on the roster anymore? We'd drop a couple additional games? I honestly believe we'd take a very minor hit losing Al so I'd take the small short term hit in favor of a long term homerun (hopefully)
What the hell?
Shooting far below 50% as a center is pathetic, and what makes it even worse is that the dude doesn't draw fouls. Al Jefferson isn't even close to one of the "best offensive players in the NBA".
GVC
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And, if it even matters, making young players earn it is probably a good strategy. If they're not hungry enough to take someone else's job, they're probably not hungry enough to thrive in a starting/leading role. It's tough to be patient as fans. It looks like Gordo, Favors and Kanter will be ready to take over next season. I hope the FO agrees.
CAKAR
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No, but I think that he is little bit pissed, becausse of the situation he is in. He likes AL, but he is not dump, he nows that he is deserving more time on the court than 14 a game. As a starter Kanter would average a double double, with good defense and efficient offense. Im the biggest AL fan on this site, but even I have understand that Kanter could surpass him in few than 2 years.
Most efficient? No
That doesn't change the fact that his offensive repertoire, especially on the low block ,is one of the best in the NBA. Why else would NBA teams send double teams to him on a regular basis? Why does he have one of the best clutch time FG% in the NBA?
underKANTER
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So, why can Corbin not just give them both 20-22 minutes each with Jefferson and Millsap getting around 26-28 minutes per game?
Very often, we saw games where the bench and so the young guys outplayed the startes but still did not get rewarded.
We saw games where Millsap and Jefferson each got 35 minutes and Kanter and Favors struggled to get any minutes on the floor.
Carroll and Burks were ignored very often, too.
As a coach, you have to reward your guys that give you the extra effort.
I don't have anything about slowly progressing our young players but I have a problem if our coach is very unfair in distributing the minutes. I know, it's not easy for a coach to manage the minutes and substitutions but Corbin has not been right with the way of not rewarding the players by giving them more minutes and trust.
At the end of the day, you stop the developement, motivation, will and confidence of young players if you do not even nearly treat them the way they deserve it.
Or can you give me a reason why Kanter, Burks, Favors or Carroll don't even get more minutes than last year?
The bench outplays the other team's bench. Could the bench (who has been playing for extend minutes) outplay the opposing team's starters (who are just coming in the game off rest) on a consistent basis? Maybe, but I don't think Corbin has quite that much trust in the bench as a whole to get it done. Sap has shown the ability to be very clutch and play well at the end of games, same with Jefferson. I agree that Kanter/Favors need to play deeper into the 2nd and 4th quarters, but it's kind of unrealistic to hope that Kanter and Favors finish out 2nd and 4th quarters over Jefferson/Sap.
And as of today, I haven't sensed any lack of motivation for the young players. If anything, I see them getting hungrier, gaining more confidence, and developing each day. Like I said, that result could possibly be achieved through a different approach, but we will never know because we can't go back and test out a different experiment.
I sat right behind the Bucks bench, yelling at Dunleavy for being a flopper all night. He did not like it at all. Was fun. I must say though, he is the only player on that team that seemed to be in the game. He was barking at other players, very intense. The rest of the guys seemed to just be going threw the motions. Monte especially. He kind of hangs out by himself at the end of the bench. Didn't even come over for his teams huddles. Not sure how there coach puts up with that.
Dunleavy could have had a big game tonight. He missed a lot of shot he usually hits. His shooting ability and pump fake allowed him to get by his defender at will for long stretches of the game. If he hadn't had all of those injuries that aged his career, he would still be a very good player.
There will never be many true comparables. I don't blame the Suns for making the push they did either. If A'mare stayed healthy then they could have won a couple of titles. The definitely did throw away some good drafts year in year out though, but that was just as likely bad luck as it was poor drafting. They did trade Rondo but the 20 teams ahead of them missed as well.
My point is there is something to be said about the Jazz willingness to stick to structure instead of taking big chances like the Suns did with all their trades. They were in a position to push, the Jazz haven't been. Last season was the opportunity to trade-n-tank but that's gone.
Agreed on taking a homerun swing but disagree on the single season outcome. Jazz wouldn't have won many games last year without Al Jefferson or Harris. I don't blame them one bit for taking a shot with Foye, Mo & Marvin though. They addressed obvious deficiencies and stuck with their plan as any good organization would.
Weezur
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Kanter's passing. Holy ****- He went from being a complete black hole last year to making a couple Boozer passes. Nice. He did force the passes sometimes, but a lot of them were great. He's getting good at high-lows too. Kanter-Favors need to mimic the Gasol-Howard alley opp high lows. Then we'll be in business.
Not sure I want Jennings, he seems to be picking up too much from Monta.
Not sure I want Jennings, he seems to be picking up too much from Monta.
