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Ty Corbin.

Yes, I did consider Favors is a one-way player right now. Are you saying Jefferson is a two-way player? Jefferson is a part of just about every single worst-5 combo the Jazz had statistically.

I've been the self-anointed Commander of the Tank Armada since 20 games into 2 seasons ago.


Burks being a side factor for the rest of his career? Yes, you could be right. But seriously, when the opponents are sagging off and just daring Watson and Tinsley to shoot, you've got a serious problem. I'll take 42%/36% over 36%/31% or 31%/18%, especially given the fact that Burks WAS improving when given minutes.

A) Burks improved after Corbin brought him along.

B) How exactly do you propose Corbin run an offense through Burks (& Hayward). You know I would have loved to see that happen, but every single fan calling for it has failed to show a single specific on how this would work. I'd love nothing more than admitting I was wrong on Corbin but no one wants to convince any of us that Corbin was an idiot for missing a specific opportunity.
 
If you want Tyrone Corbin gone, just apply for janitorial services at the ESA and slip a Xanax in his drink. He pops hot on a piss test, his *** HAS to be gone.
 
Am i the only one that don't want to give up on him?
This is only his 2nd full year coaching.

Not everybody learns to ride their first bike at the same pace.
I think the Jazz are gonna stick with Ty and i respect them
if that's what they have decided.

On the other side, i feel like the team does not believe in him.
I feel like Coach Ty is not a leader. I questioned many of his decisions this year.

Give us your honest opinion on coach Ty.

probably one of the few retarded people.

the more time he gets the wors ejazz future is.
our future looked bright.
now it looks ****ty
 
Here's Corbin's pedigree of coaches he studied under:

Cotton Fitzsimmons
Lenny Wilkens
Bill Musselman
Jerry Sloan
Pat Riley
Rick Adelman
i know you are trolling

lol but that only shows that corbin will never learn. studying years under those guys.
and it still seems he has no clue about coaching.
so there is no hope he will suddenly have an epiphany and be a good to great coach
 
hell i'm not even exicted for next season to start.
usually i am pissed jazz are not playing now. and cant wait for the new season to start.
now i'm waiting for the core 4 to be traded so i have no (emotional) connection to the jazz anymore.
 
hell i'm not even exicted for next season to start.
usually i am pissed jazz are not playing now. and cant wait for the new season to start.
now i'm waiting for the core 4 to be traded so i have no (emotional) connection to the jazz anymore.

oh how I love the 80's...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiCRZLr9oRw
 
Three years ago: "Ty inherited a tough situation, replacing a HOF coach mid season and losing his top player. Give him a chance next year and see what he can do."

Two years ago: "Bad luck Ty has no training camp and a shortened season to make his changes. Give him a chance next year and see what he can do."

One year ago: "Ty was handcuffed by having 8 players with expiring contracts on the team. Give him a chance next year and see what he can do."

Next year: "Ty lost his go to players with Al, Sap, and Mo... how can he be expected to win with these inexperienced kids? Give him a chance next year and see what he can do."

The truth is that Ty has had a full season(with training camp) to implement whatever changes he wanted with a full training camp and a better roster... and the team has gotten WORSE in both offense and defense. In fact, the more influence Ty has on the team, the more the team gets worse. Two and a half years is enough to know that he has no above average skills as a coach, and is not improving in any way, other than in some advanced stats like Mustache-to-Suit Size Ratio. But maybe he will do better next year right?
 
hell i'm not even exicted for next season to start.
usually i am pissed jazz are not playing now. and cant wait for the new season to start.
now i'm waiting for the core 4 to be traded so i have no (emotional) connection to the jazz anymore.

How can you be excited when the Jazz Mgt continues to make one **** up after another -- Now we've lost Horny
 
If you want Tyrone Corbin gone, just apply for janitorial services at the ESA and slip a Xanax in his drink. He pops hot on a piss test, his *** HAS to be gone.

NBA coaches are subjected to random drug screens?
 
i know you are trolling

lol but that only shows that corbin will never learn. studying years under those guys.
and it still seems he has no clue about coaching.
so there is no hope he will suddenly have an epiphany and be a good to great coach

This. It's almost worse that he studied under the best of the best and is still a crap coach who hasn't shown us any glimpse of improvement or potential. Has nothing to do with skin color. I actually like Ty as a person. He seems like a pretty nice guy. It's not just that we aren't very good under Ty the coach and he seems to be part of the reason why we're not very good. He doesn't seem to have a plan to develop this team or giving it a defensive identity (we will never have a chance without a strong defense). Ty overplayed the vets (even though we played with more balance when AJ was out for a couple of games), hasn't shown an ability to improve our defense and is not particularly good at adjusting (in game or in season). If Ty seemed to have a plan, would have given the young guys a chance, not relied on AJ, stamped a defensive mindset on our team and shown the ability to make adjustments if things are not working, I could live with our mediocre record and would not be against keeping Ty. Of course we all would have complained about something, but I can't really think of anything positive to say about Ty the coach, except that he seemed to keep the locker room in harmony, which is ridiculous. You play to improve and win, and if players complain or are obstinate, ship them out. The fact that he gave in to the vets shows weakness that isn't acceptable in a coach.
 
A failed shooting coach? Why is this upsetting?

Because we've already seen what Ty can do. I would like to see what Horny can do. Wouldn't you be more excited about this team if Ty were replaced with Horny? It can't get any worse. As I've said on numerous occasions, I think Horny has the tools to be a good coach, although it remains to be seen. I'm not so sure I'd call him a failed shooting coach. Have any shooting coaches done wonders to improve someone's shooting? Improving someone's shooting isn't something I expect of a coach. I'd look more to improving shot selection than shooting, motivating, stressing defense and playing to the strength of your players. We've seen that Ty isn't capable of that, so why not let Horny have a chance.
 
I would like to see what Horny can do.
Why? I'd like to see what I can do.

Wouldn't you be more excited about this team if Ty were replaced with Horny? It can't get any worse.
No, I wouldn't be more excited. Yes, it can get worse. Hell, there were two inferior coaches in your home state this past season.

As I've said on numerous occasions, I think Horny has the tools to be a good coach, although it remains to be seen.
If it remains to be seen, why do you think he has the tools to be a good coach?

I'm not so sure I'd call him a failed shooting coach. Have any shooting coaches done wonders to improve someone's shooting?
Dave Hopla has a pretty good track record. I don't know about others, as I only really follow the Jazz (I know Hopla because I used to follow the Raps a bit).

I'd look more to improving shot selection than shooting, motivating, stressing defense and playing to the strength of your players. We've seen that Ty isn't capable of that, so why not let Horny have a chance.
And this is where I disagree with a lot of the Ty detractors. While the Jazz D left much to be desired, the defensive personnel was poor. Al Jefferson has been the only player on the team capable of consistently creating offense the last couple seasons, and Ty has tried to find lineups that complement him as much as possible. This past season, he ran a lot more sets with off-ball action with the second group (increasingly so as the season progressed), and had them push the ball whenever possible, working to their strengths. I actually consider his use of the young players together as a plus not a minus. I think he did a good job of keeping the vets happy, which created a good, positive environment for the young guys to grow in. And, contrary to what a lot of people have stated, they have grown (Gordo, Kanter and Burks all showed a lot of progress toward being effective players this season...Derrick's progress has been slower, but he was afforded a lot of halfcourt opportunities he wouldn't have gotten with the first unit).

That's not to say I loved or agreed with everything Ty did this season. The game still seems a bit fast for him, and his in-game management isn't perfect. I think this is extremely fixable, and Ty's a smart enough dude to improve. Even though Ty did cut Paul's and Al's minutes a bit this year, I thought he could have cut Al's and Foye's a bit more to give the young group more burn together (that is, while I like that he let the young guys play together for most of the season, I thought the balance of minutes between the vet group and young group wasn't perfect).

As long as the team's being handed over to the young guys, I think it was the right decision to give Ty another year. He deserves an opportunity to show what he can do with a roster that isn't a total cluster**** in transition. Given the roster he's had, however, I think the team performed pretty well, finishing about in line with their overall talent.
 
Three years ago: "Ty inherited a tough situation, replacing a HOF coach mid season and losing his top player. Give him a chance next year and see what he can do."

Two years ago: "Bad luck Ty has no training camp and a shortened season to make his changes. Give him a chance next year and see what he can do."

One year ago: "Ty was handcuffed by having 8 players with expiring contracts on the team. Give him a chance next year and see what he can do."

Next year: "Ty lost his go to players with Al, Sap, and Mo... how can he be expected to win with these inexperienced kids? Give him a chance next year and see what he can do."

The truth is that Ty has had a full season(with training camp) to implement whatever changes he wanted with a full training camp and a better roster... and the team has gotten WORSE in both offense and defense. In fact, the more influence Ty has on the team, the more the team gets worse. Two and a half years is enough to know that he has no above average skills as a coach, and is not improving in any way, other than in some advanced stats like Mustache-to-Suit Size Ratio. But maybe he will do better next year right?

Hahaha.. nice...........
 
Next year: "Ty lost his go to players with Al, Sap, and Mo... how can he be expected to win with these inexperienced kids? Give him a chance next year and see what he can do."

Looking back on the season I'm pretty much convinced that The Jazz managed to win 43 games only because they were the only team in the league with 4 starting caliber PF/C's. A handful of teams have 3. About two thirds have 2 and the rest have one. Utah wore teams down on the offensive end because they had guys who can score around the rim for a full 96 minutes.

Next year Utah will have a more traditional team - they'll probably bring in more/different talent in the back court and support Favors/Kanter with perhaps a veteran role player and a rookie. Even if Favors/Kanter have solid seasons as starters Corbin still won't be able to depend unique situation he had. I'd like to be an optimist but my guess is without somehow landing an all star, next year is going to be very ugly.
 
Why? I'd like to see what I can do.

Eh.... what do you bring to the table that would excite anyone? Horny is a former and beloved Jazz player, one of the top 5 or 6 former Jazz players, IMO.

No, I wouldn't be more excited. Yes, it can get worse. Hell, there were two inferior coaches in your home state this past season.

How could it get worse? We missed the playoffs, the young guys didn't play enough, our lineups were crap, Al played too much, our defense was worse than ever and our fan base is increasingly apathetic because we're not improving and we're not going to improve with Ty at the helm. Horny could do nothing and it couldn't get worse. Frankly, I can't see how anyone wouldn't be at least marginally more excited about and interested in this team with Horny taking the reins instead of Ty.

Regarding your assertion that there are two inferior coaches in my "home" state, first, it's not my "home" state, I live here, but I grew up in SLC. Second, there is one inferior coach (Keith Smart is the worst coach in the league, IMO). Mark Jackson's team made the playoffs and won a round. It was a pretty respectable year for them. I don't care for him personally, but he's not inferior to Ty. Equal at best, but not inferior.

If it remains to be seen, why do you think he has the tools to be a good coach?

It remains to be seen because Horny hasn't been a head coach. Ty has, and nothing remains to be seen. He's not a very good head coach and he's going to prove it this coming year. I like Ty the person, but just don't think he's good enough. I think Horny will be a good coach for the same reasons I put in my previous post. I'll repeat them again - Horny was a better player than Ty (despite being less athletic... and it has nothing to do with race for those of you who jump to conclusions), was one of the smartest players in the league during his era and has extensive playoff experience. Not to mention that he is the son of a coach (may not help, but it can't hurt). If the Jazz choose to give opportunities to former Jazz players with little or no head coaching experience, there aren't many better options than Horny.

Dave Hopla has a pretty good track record. I don't know about others, as I only really follow the Jazz (I know Hopla because I used to follow the Raps a bit).

Honestly, I have no idea who "Dave Hopla" is, but if you really think one's success as a shooting coach is a good indicator of future head coaching skills, I have nothing to add. I don't think Horny's experience as a shooting coach is an indicative of his future success (positive or negative). Shooting is based on mechanics and individual practice that a shooting coach cannot do. A head coach needs to understand team concepts, which are practiced as a team. I don't credit any coach for Karl Malone's improved shooting skills. It was due to Karl Malone, not some shooting, assistant or head coach.

As long as the team's being handed over to the young guys, I think it was the right decision to give Ty another year. He deserves an opportunity to show what he can do with a roster that isn't a total cluster**** in transition. Given the roster he's had, however, I think the team performed pretty well, finishing about in line with their overall talent.

Comments added above (I don't know how to do that multi quote thing you did). I don't wholly disagree with you, but based on what I've seen, my expectations are low (and I had high hopes for Ty when he was appointed interim coach). I hope you're right. If Ty proves me wrong, I'll be thrilled. Regarding your point about him keeping the locker room in good spirits, I couldn't disagree more. A head coach's job is not to pander to certain players to keep peace in the locker room. A head coach's job is to work with an organization to move selfish players who don't buy into the team concept. Now if Ty did that and the organization failed him, then shame on the front office. We can debate these points to death, but the evidence will be there at the end of next season. We'll have an opportunity to assess Horny's first year as a HC and Ty's 3rd full year as a head coach. As I said, I hope Ty proves me wrong and you're right.
 
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