Milsap is Gone

[Gameface]

yeah...nice to see you've joined the idiots.

Take a look at the Kings rosters and draft picks since the summer of 2008.

I honestly don't spend a lot of time reading the Utah Jazz section. My opinion of you has been pretty positive over the last several years. I don't know if you've changed or I just never noticed before but you're a cranky little bugger.

I'm not a heavy hitter like you when it comes to inside basketball stuff. I put you up there with maybe 4-5 other posters as far as your knowledge and understanding goes. If I say stupid stuff about the team or the players and someone like you corrects me I'll gladly listen and give their input a lot of weight. But instead of just pointing out the facts you like to call people idiots. Well, maybe you know a little about basketball but you don't know **** about people and you're being an ***.

I'm sure you've heard it before but for whatever reason I like watching myself type so I thought I throw my .02 in. Have a nice day.

 

[Deleted member 848]

yeah...nice to see you've joined the idiots.

You mean the STGizzy, to be exact. It's okay, people get it wrong all the time

Take a look at the Kings rosters and draft picks since the summer of 2008.

I think I simply look at your possibility of 'souring on all the young guys, and not getting any great picks to boot' and find it highly unlikely.


If our young players are getting minutes, and they suck-- I don't see how we are going to stumble into the playoffs. With 2 picks in the 2014 draft, and a slew of rookie contracts on this team (with 4 of 5 having proven to be rotation players in this league-- with Burke probably fitting into the mix after the end of the season) I simply don't see how we can't move up in the draft to pick a player of our desires.

2. Teams that dump all their vets and go young frequently have many years of total suckitude before climbing out of the basement (or being moved to another city...which might not be such a bad thing).

Okay. Don't see how this description applies to the Jazz at all

KOC has not done this before. KOC had his franchise players leave, handed the team over to a Hall of Fame coach and a team of mostly scrappy veterans, and had a load of cap space the following year, getting pretty lucky with Boozer and Memo.

That's not to say I don't agree with the strategy in general. However, aside from wanting a championship at some point, I value watching entertaining/competitive basketball. It's not all or nothing for me, and I suspect most fans of teams consistently at the bottom of the standings feel the same way.

I think the fact that KOC is doing this is directly due to the potential he sees in this squad-- and the fact that he believes (with good reason IMO) that our roster will NOT crash and burn.




I understand the need for doomsday-talk, and I understand that we should temper our expectations of begin the next 2004 Pistons-- but there is simply no way that this offseason has morphed us into the Sacramento Kings.

 

[spycam1]

The *** does that have to do with ANYTHING?

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[Deleted member 848]

I honestly don't spend a lot of time reading the Utah Jazz section. My opinion of you has been pretty positive over the last several years. I don't know if you've changed or I just never noticed before but you're a cranky little bugger.

I'm not a heavy hitter like you when it comes to inside basketball stuff. I put you up there with maybe 4-5 other posters as far as your knowledge and understanding goes. If I say stupid stuff about the team or the players and someone like you corrects me I'll gladly listen and give their input a lot of weight. But instead of just pointing out the facts you like to call people idiots. Well, maybe you know a little about basketball but you don't know **** about people and you're being an ***.

I'm sure you've heard it before but for whatever reason I like watching myself type so I thought I throw my .02 in. Have a nice day.

Yup.

 

[Deleted member 848]

The *** does that have to do with ANYTHING?

Suhttup villej idyut loawllol

 

[Deleted member 848]

Can someone tell me if the website domain KingzFanzz is taken or not?



I think there is a great market to be tapped into. Currently contacting Sandy Braille for specifics

 

[GVC]

I honestly don't spend a lot of time reading the Utah Jazz section. My opinion of you has been pretty positive over the last several years. I don't know if you've changed or I just never noticed before but you're a cranky little bugger.

I'm not a heavy hitter like you when it comes to inside basketball stuff. I put you up there with maybe 4-5 other posters as far as your knowledge and understanding goes. If I say stupid stuff about the team or the players and someone like you corrects me I'll gladly listen and give their input a lot of weight. But instead of just pointing out the facts you like to call people idiots. Well, maybe you know a little about basketball but you don't know **** about people and you're being an ***.

I'm sure you've heard it before but for whatever reason I like watching myself type so I thought I throw my .02 in. Have a nice day.

meh.

Dal made a comment that implied a question about the Jazz strategy and the Sacramento Kings, I answered it, and he gave a "tl;dr". How should I have responded?

Admittedly, I don't have a ton of patience for trolls and those who consider ignorance a virtue.

 

[Deleted member 848]

meh.

Dal made a comment that implied a question about the Jazz strategy and the Sacramento Kings, I answered it, and he gave a "tl;dr". How should I have responded?

Do people never joke with you, ever?

Admittedly, I don't have a ton of patience for trolls and those who consider ignorance a virtue.

Right. Most would definitely consider my Jazzfanz-persona synonymous with ignorance.

#Kingzfanzz

 

[Deleted member 848]

Jazzfanz Tip #4746- How to not be perceived as ignorant: Agree with every single one of GVCs posts, no matter what.


Even if its touting-- who was it, Shane Larkin? Phil Pressey?


#KingzFanzz

 

[GVC]

I think I simply look at your possibility of 'souring on all the young guys, and not getting any great picks to boot' and find it highly unlikely.


If our young players are getting minutes, and they suck-- I don't see how we are going to stumble into the playoffs. With 2 picks in the 2014 draft, and a slew of rookie contracts on this team (with 4 of 5 having proven to be rotation players in this league-- with Burke probably fitting into the mix after the end of the season) I simply don't see how we can't move up in the draft to pick a player of our desires.

It's entirely possible the current young guys are good enough to win 30+ games this season, but to never get above 45. How did Jazzfanz feel about the mediocrity of the last 3 seasons? If Kanter/Favors/Hayward/Burks turn into Al/Millsap/Marvin/Mo, will you be happy? If the W's do well enough, the Jazz could potentially end up with a late lottery pick and a pick in the mid 20s next summer. In a good draft, they won't have the assets to move up and grab a player they like. If they extend Favors/Hayward, strikeout in free agency next summer, and then extend Kanter and Burks, they won't have the cap space to improve the roster. One bad year could turn into 5+ very easily.

I'm excited to see how the young guys play, although I think Jazzfanz poster, like most sports fans, overrate the young talent on the team.

Would you say it's more likely this strategy ends in a championship or in the Jazz finding a comfy spot at the bottom of the standings for several years?

 

[Deleted member 848]

It's entirely possible the current young guys are good enough to win 30+ games this season, but to never get above 45. If the W's do well enough, the Jazz could potentially and up with a late lottery pick and a pick in the mid 20s next summer. In a good draft, they won't have the assets to move up and grab a player they like. If they extend Favors/Hayward, strikeout in free agency next summer, and then extend Kanter and Burks, they won't have the cap space to improve the roster. One bad year could turn into 5+ very easily.

I'm excited to see how the young guys play, although I think Jazzfanz poster, like most sports fans, overrate the young talent on the team.

Would you say it's more likely this strategy ends in a championship or in the Jazz finding a comfy spot at the bottom of the standings for several years?

Obviously the championship is way less likely, but I think this core getting around 4-5th seed is most-certainly possible. And quite frankly, that's all I can ask for from this team. The Utah Jazz franchise is at an inherent misfortune when it comes to trying to build teams to win championships-- so I will always be happy if I see the organization make a concerted effort to TRY to win. In this case, I think our organization is going about the smartest way to try and win a championship. Lest we forget our unprotected 2017 pick, rumoured to be a very deep one.


I think your opinions would make more sense if you simply focused on the aspect of 'hey guys-- theres a very low chance that we ever get out of the WCSF', as opposed to equating us with the Kings.

Our draft picks have been much better, and there doesn't seem to be any conflicting egos between our players and our coaches. That, plus 3 picks in loaded drafts, no mammoth contracts, and copious cap-space gives our organization MUCH more flexibility than the Sacramento Kings moving forward.


But youre right. Definitely lots of excitement to watch this team play moving forward

 

[YB85]

We got everything we asked for but I'm not sure it's what we really wanted. We'll see.

 

[GVC]

I think your opinions would make more sense if you simply focused on the aspect of 'hey guys-- theres a very low chance that we ever get out of the WCSF', as opposed to equating us with the Kings.

Read kicky's comment again. What he was describing is the Sacramento Kings.

I don't think it's fair to say Jazz draft picks have been much better either. Tyreke was rookie of the year, DeMarcus is still considered by most to be a better prospect/player than Favors, Jason Thompson is a solid rotation big. We don't really know what we have, as our young guys have mostly played limited minutes against backups.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Read kicky's comment again. What he was describing is the Sacramento Kings.

The Sacramento Kings haven't won 30 games since 2008. Don't see how this fits his description. Read his post again

I don't think it's fair to say Jazz draft picks have been much better either. Tyreke was rookie of the year, DeMarcus is still considered by most to be a better prospect/player than Favors, Jason Thompson is a solid rotation big. We don't really know what we have, as our young guys have mostly played limited minutes against backups.

Umm Jimmer? Thomas Robinson? I think we'll have to agree to disagree.

We know we have a great rotation player in Hayward, at the very least a solid rotation big in Favors, and a great prospect in Kanter. Burks is probably the only true unknown-- as his game from first to second season was pretty different (still not great).

Not to mention us now drafting a ROTY candidate.

 

[GVC]

The Sacramento Kings haven't won 30 games since 2008. Don't see how this fits his description. Read his post again.

Not to nitpick, but their winning percentage in 11/12 corresponds to better than 30 wins over an 82 game season. Further, if we're better than the Kings, but not by much, we could be stuck in the mid-late lottery, missing out on impact players. The Kings, who've had picks slightly better than the range tink mentioned, have struggled to find good, complementary talent.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Not to nitpick, but their winning percentage in 11/12 corresponds to better than 30 wins over an 82 game season. Further, if we're better than the Kings, but not by much, we could be stuck in the mid-late lottery, missing out on impact players. The Kings, who've had picks slightly better than the range tink mentioned, have struggled to find good, complementary talent.

Kinda like how Houston always picking late lottery jeopardized their team from drafting/trading for impact players?

 

[GVC]

Kinda like how Houston always picking late lottery jeopardized their team from drafting/trading for impact players?

I'm not speaking in absolutes. I've stated that I'm excited to see what the young guys will do, and how this strategy will work out. This is not a new strategy though, and it seems to me going young/tanking rarely works out. FWIW, I like the trade, and the direction/strategy of the team for the most part.

Jefferson/Millsap are better than a lot of fans seem to think. Those who are confident that Kanter/Favors are already an upgrade could be in for a surprise this coming season (not sure where I'd place the odds of the new frontcourt being better than the old frontcourt within 3 years). I have little hope of Burks ever being more than a bench player. Hayward is a solid complementary wing player. Burke is an unknown. The Jazz are still a very long way from contention.

Also, vSlice's twitter account?

 

[mhindy]

I'm not speaking in absolutes. I've stated that I'm excited to see what the young guys will do, and how this strategy will work out. This is not a new strategy though, and it seems to me going young/tanking rarely works out. FWIW, I like the trade, and the direction/strategy of the team for the most part.

Jefferson/Millsap are better than a lot of fans seem to think. Those who are confident that Kanter/Favors are already an upgrade could be in for a surprise this coming season (not sure where I'd place the odds of the new frontcourt being better than the old frontcourt within 3 years). I have little hope of Burks ever being more than a bench player. Hayward is a solid complementary wing player. Burke is an unknown. The Jazz are still a very long way from contention.

Also, vSlice's twitter account?

True tanking rarely works because you only get one shot a year at an impact player. The Jazz have enough young pieces that they should be able to maximize their development and value, possibly moving some of them for other pieces down the road.

Much different situation than Sacramento.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I'm not speaking in absolutes. I've stated that I'm excited to see what the young guys will do, and how this strategy will work out. This is not a new strategy though, and it seems to me going young/tanking rarely works out. FWIW, I like the trade, and the direction/strategy of the team for the most part.

Jefferson/Millsap are better than a lot of fans seem to think. Those who are confident that Kanter/Favors are already an upgrade could be in for a surprise this coming season (not sure where I'd place the odds of the new frontcourt being better than the old frontcourt within 3 years). I have little hope of Burks ever being more than a bench player. Hayward is a solid complementary wing player. Burke is an unknown. The Jazz are still a very long way from contention.

Also, vSlice's twitter account?

@JazzBasketball1

His tweets are reasonable, but he seems to be convinced that the Jazz didn't attempt to re-sign Millsap, which I strongly disagree with. I'm quite sick of the anti-Utah Jazz Front Office rhetoric that permeates twitter.

 

[Deleted member 848]

True tanking rarely works because you only get one shot a year at an impact player. The Jazz have enough young pieces that they should be able to maximize their development and value, possibly moving some of them for other pieces down the road.

Much different situation than Sacramento.

Yup