The OFFICIAL don't draft Joel Embiid thread

[fishonjazz]

The only example of elite footwork I could find is a travel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lvx20ZejUyU#t=77

Hey jim
Go to you tube and look up joel embiid dream shake.
Very much like hakeem

But im sure your are not trying to hard to find something positive in the videos you watch since you dont ever want to see someone elses side of a discussion

 

[Beantown]

Notice that almost everyone on that list is a pretty damn good player.

Makes me want embiid even more tbh

Good point, but how many 7 footers never made it in the league.....

That list could go on forever.

 

[Deleted member 848]

1. Who has what traits in the NBA matter little here.

Laughable.

Embiid does not play in the NBA nor has he tested himself against proper opposition. College basketball is several levels below NBA. It's amateur basketball. You cannot claim Embiid has NBA-level elite anything.

Please quote me, and let me know where I ever said that Embiid has an elite-NBA skill in any category.

2. Aside from elite college defense, I haven't seen any of the other things. He averages a little more than an assist a game, so I suppose maybe I'm asking too much when I try and find video of his superb passing.

Take at Olajuwon's assist numbers in his freshmen year at college. My point: assist numbers are not indicative of court-vision, particularly when you are not a team's first option on offense, and the offense doesn't run through yourself specifically.


Again, I reiterate: follow Kansas on college this year, if you want to have a good idea of Embiid as player.

 

[fishonjazz]

Good point, but how many 7 footers never made it in the league.....

That list could go on forever.

Idk
Make me a list

 

[JimLes]

Olajuwon also averaged 8.3 PPG in college in his freshmen year (while averaging 2.5 BPG), 13.9 PPG in his sophomore year, and then peaked at at 16.8 in his junior year.

Should we have casted away Olajuwon as a nobody after his frosh year cuz he couldn't assert himself as a first option, and he had history of playing soccer/didn't play basketball for a good portion of his life?

Hakeem also played on a stacked team and posted crazy numbers straight away. But I'll tell you what. If Joel Embiid leads his team to an NBA finals in his second season and puts up 24-12-3-2-2 a game doing it, I will fly out to wherever fishonjazz lives and eat his *****.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Good point, but how many 7 footers never made it in the league.....

That list could go on forever.

Yeah? So could the list of people who are 5'11". And 6'2". And 6'5". And 6'8".

 

[fishonjazz]

Hey jim
Go to you tube and look up joel embiid dream shake.
Very much like hakeem

But im sure your are not trying to hard to find something positive in the videos you watch since you dont ever want to see someone elses side of a discussion

Also notice who the announcer compares embiid to "very olijuwanesque"

 

[Beantown]

Like i said before..... your 7 footers list has lots of good players on it....
Only makes embiid look more likely to be good

Most players that stick in the NBA are good........whats your point?

The original discussion was that being a 7 footer in the league was rare.....which its not....I would dare say every team has a 7 footer on their roster.

The list of 7 footers that busted in the league would take me forever to type up.

My point is that just because you are 7 ft tall doesn't mean you are automatically successful in the NBA. Not by a long shot.

 

[JimLes]

Please quote me, and let me know where I ever said that Embiid has an elite-NBA skill in any category.

You talked about his elite skills, which I took to be implication that it would have something to do with his NBA career. If you're talking about him being elite at college level, that has nothing to do with anything. Elite skills from college translate to the NBA...how often exactly?

 

[fishonjazz]

Most players that stick in the NBA are good........whats your point?

The original discusstion was that being a 7 footer in the league was rare.....which its not....I would dare say every team has a 7 footer on their roster.

The list of 7 footers that busted in the league would take me forever to type up.

My point is that just because you are 7 ft tall doesn't mean you are automatically successful in the NBA. Not by a long shot.

So what height does automatically make you successful in the nba.

Also who said he will be good just cause he is 7 feet?

 

[fishonjazz]

Hakeem also played on a stacked team

So does embiid.
Just another way the two are alike

 

[Deleted member 848]

Hakeem also played on a stacked team and posted crazy numbers straight away.

Oh really? I'm pretty sure he red-shirted in 1981, barely played as a redshirt AGAIN in 1982, before finally breaking out as a solid player in their roster in 1983. Houston was 6th in the Mid-East in 1982 (though they made it far in MM) and not worthy of mentioning in 1981.

But I'll tell you what. If Joel Embiid leads his team to an NBA finals in his second season and puts up 24-12-3-2-2 a game doing it, I will fly out to wherever fishonjazz lives and eat his *****.

No one is saying that Embiid will be Olajuwon.

 

[JimLes]

Also notice who the announcer compares embiid to "very olijuwanesque"

He traveled. He picks up his pivot foot.

Plus, is this Duncanesque? https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=wxRtO1bMdxs#t=255

Dude does the dream shake once, travels while doing it, and people are anointing him the next Olajuwon as a most likely scenario. The whole world's gone mad.

 

[Beantown]

Yeah? So could the list of people who are 5'11". And 6'2". And 6'5". And 6'8".

Thanks for proving my point..........

 

[JimLes]

No one is saying that Embiid will be Olajuwon.

Then what are you saying he will be? Let's not beat around the bush and make vague predictions that you can never be called to task on later.

I'm saying is that Roy Hibbert is his max.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Even if you can "make a case" for his lackluster stats you still have his skinny body frame.

I can't be the first person to mention that he's an 18 year old that weighs 250 pounds (and no evident fat of any mention), can I?

 

[Beantown]

So what height does automatically make you successful in the nba.

Also who said he will be good just cause he is 7 feet?

Uh....there is no height that makes you automatically successful in the NBA......

Nobody said he would be good. BLine just said him being 7 feet tall is special and rare.......which its not....

Plenty of 7 footers huh? If there are plenty of them, why don't you go ahead and tell us who they are?

I will get you started:

Timmy, The Gasol's, The Lopez brother, and the list drops off from there to Bynum, Oden, etc.

 

[fishonjazz]

He traveled. He picks up his pivot foot.

Plus, is this Duncanesque? https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=wxRtO1bMdxs#t=255

Dude does the dream shake once, travels while doing it, and people are anointing him the next Olajuwon as a most likely scenario. The whole world's gone mad.

Dude does the dream shake, has great size and mobility, great defensibe instincts, soft hand, good footwork, nice outside shot, good touch, excellent passing, is a quick learner, hard worker, and has fire, as a freshman and people are annointing him the next thabeet.
Whole worlds gone mad

 

[NUMBERICA]

Hakeem also played on a stacked team and posted crazy numbers straight away. But I'll tell you what. If Joel Embiid leads his team to an NBA finals in his second season and puts up 24-12-3-2-2 a game doing it, I will fly out to wherever fishonjazz lives and eat his *****.

What the **** is this?

 

[Deleted member 848]

You talked about his elite skills

Where?

which I took to be implication that it would have something to do with his NBA career.

That's your mistake, not mine.

If you're talking about him being elite at college level, that has nothing to do with anything. Elite skills from college translate to the NBA...how often exactly?

I'm not talking about either, actually.


Here is my post:

big-men with a) elite post-moves b) elite defense c) superb passing skills are MUCH more than a complimentary player. Players with those 3 facets are the players that build dynasties-- and despite the fact that they might have formidable bust-potential, that's why you keep a close eye on them, and swing for the fences if you manage to get a chanceat them. Name 3 big-men currently in the NBA who can claim to have those traits. Ibaka doesn't NEARLY have the court-vision that Embiid does (watching Kansas games, and not highlights would help you realize this). Love has great vision, poor defense. Blake has okay passing, good scoring, but poor defense. Duncan is almost retired. Notice the trend? Even Kanter and Favors, if they manage to secure both categories (unlikely) will never have Embiid's vision.

If there is a prospect that has a chance at having those three skills in the NBA, you draft him first-overall-- no question about it. Is Embiid the guy? Well, there hasn't been a prospect as promising (note how I am not making any concrete evaluations of whether his game is elite for college, or will be in the NBA) as him in all three areas.


This is precisely why you keep a close eye on him, watch him perform in games, and not cast him off as a Serge Ibaka or a ****ing Hashim Thabeet just because "well he isn't dominating offensively, his assists are low, and he just started playing basketball". Those are all arguments that could have worked for Olajuwon on his freshmen seasons, and they are garbage reasons for saying that a draftee won't be a hall-of-famer.