BYU @ Utah........

[Jazz Spazz]

Jazzspazz I find it hilarious how you try to marginze the missed horsecollar call. Tack on 15 yards on to that play and Utah is in FG range, maybe more. Even if they settle for 3 at that point it makes Utah's 4th qtr lead 4 instead of 1. And on the fumble call that hurt Byu you act like the call itself gave Utah 7 points. It was Byu that let them into the endzone.

I agree that it was bad calls both ways and that Utah played like hell but I don't look at it as a gift. In the last 15 minutes Utah made huge plays when they had to, Byu did not.

Using your logic, why didn't the Utes make a play after the missed horsecollar tackle..... why blame the bad call on them not getting into the endzone?
Yes, the BYU defense should have stopped the Utes again after the bad fumble call and it would not have mattered.
But that's not how it went down. If the ref's called the "fumble" down, would the Utes have won? Probably not, even with the 1st down call reversed, and with a horsecollar tackle called.

This is why I say the Utes played well, but should also accept it as a gift.
I accept that BYU was given the SDSU game this year, I am not so blind as to say... so what, we played well, and earned it all... we rock... ref's didnt help us.

 

[CONAN]

Salty are you claiming that the player is not down in the pic you posted?

 

[SaltyDawg]

So now who is "spouting fabrications"?
The knee was down, then the ball was ripped.
Thanks Broncster.

The same desperate BYU homers are still spouting the same fabrications, yourself included.

Show me the frame in that video that shows the knee down before the ball starts coming out. You can't, because it doesn't exist.

The best shot I've seen so far is the one I posted. And that shot shows the ball was already all the way out before the butt even touched the ground, and before the knee was all the way down.

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[Jazz Spazz]

I don't see where the knee is when the ball comes out in your link. If you claim is in there, then post that shot.

I posted a clear shot showing the ball was out (not coming out, not being stripped, but already gone) while his butt was still in the air and the knee wasn't even all the way down yet.

Your link was not conclusive. It showed his knee, but didn't show where the ball started coming out.

Nice try though, homer.

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You are being the Homer. That picture is in the video, but obviously after his knee has hit, and has supported his weight.... then the Ute player starts pulling the ball out.
Grow up.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Salty are you claiming that the player is not down in the pic you posted?

I'm claiming that the ball is already out when the knee touched the ground, as evidenced by the pic I posted.


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[SaltyDawg]

You are being the Homer. That picture is in the video, but obviously after his knee has hit, and has supported his weight.... then the Ute player starts pulling the ball out.
Grow up.

Prove it. Show me. Show me a pic of his knee on the ground before the ball started coming out.

You can't, because it doesn't exist.

Yet, you continue this fabrication that the Utes didn't earn a victory and it was a gift from the refs...


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[Jazz Spazz]

Prove it. Show me. Show me a pic of his knee on the ground before the ball started coming out.

You can't, because it doesn't exist.

Yet, you continue this fabrication that the Utes didn't earn a victory and it was a gift from the refs...


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I really don't care.
The game is over.
Think what you want.

 

[SaltyDawg]

I really don't care.
The game is over.
Think what you want.

Then don't come into a game thread saying Ute fans should consider it a gift from the refs, lol.

If you come into a game thread saying something like that, you have to expect someone to disagree (assuming there is visual evidence, like the picture I posted).

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[Jazz Spazz]

Then don't come into a game thread saying Ute fans should consider it a gift from the refs, lol.

If you come into a game thread saying something like that, you have to expect someone to disagree (assuming there is visual evidence, like the picture I posted).

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You were given video evidence you are refusing to see or believe.
I cannot convince someone who refuses, so there is not point.
I thought you might have some sort of reason, which is why I even bothered.
I was wrong... so carry on.
Let's agree to disagree.

By the way, if the same exact thing happenned to the Utes, you would be all up in arms.
Funny how that works.
Later

 

[gregbroncs]

You were given video evidence you are refusing to see or believe.
I cannot convince someone who refuses, so there is not point.
I thought you might have some sort of reason, which is why I even bothered.
I was wrong... so carry on.
Let's agree to disagree.

By the way, if the same exact thing happenned to the Utes, you would be all up in arms.
Funny how that works.
Later

This same video evidence did not convince an impartial official enough that they would overturn the play. It was a close call that was called a fumble. If he had been ruled down then that would have stood as well. I have seen no conclusive video showing he was down with the ball. The video is not conclusive therefore the ruling on the field stood.

 

[colton]

By the way, if the same exact thing happenned to the Utes, you would be all up in arms.
Funny how that works.
Later

Awesome--an unintentional haiku!

Happened to the Utes?
You would be all up in arms
Funny how that works

 

[SaltyDawg]

You were given video evidence you are refusing to see or believe.
I cannot convince someone who refuses, so there is not point.
I thought you might have some sort of reason, which is why I even bothered.
I was wrong... so carry on.
Let's agree to disagree.

By the way, if the same exact thing happenned to the Utes, you would be all up in arms.
Funny how that works.
Later

I was not given video evidence. I was given a video that never showed where the knee was when the ball came out.

I posted a picture showing where the ball was when the knee went down (butt still in the air, knee not even all the way down yet).

Again, if you are so sure the Utes won because of a gift from the refs, I'd like to see the evidence.

I think the picture proves it's at least possible that it might have been a fumble. If you don't see it then you're just another in a long line of desperate BYU homers fabricating their own version of reality.

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[gregbroncs]

LOL.

This edit function is messed up.

I guess the pac-10 then could produce an opponent for the Utes.

Just as a fan of cities, I'd much rather g2 the bowl BYU might g2 in San Diego. Better weather, cleaner city, and beautiful beach over Vegas.

lol. I think I'd rather go to Vegas than New Mexico. No matter who the opponent ends up being.

But your thinking was correct the poinsettia bowl is preferable to Vegas for me.

 

[SaltyDawg]

lol. I think I'd rather go to Vegas than New Mexico. No matter who the opponent ends up being.

But your thinking was correct the poinsettia bowl is preferable to Vegas for me.

UTEP has already accepted sn invitation to play BYU in the New Mexico bowl.

Nevada has accepted an invitation to the Fight Hunger Bowl. Boise to the Vegas Bowl is a done deal and will be announced tomorrow.


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[CONAN]

I'm claiming that the ball is already out when the knee touched the ground, as evidenced by the pic I posted.


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FYI, it's a yes/no question. I'll ask again because some of the statements you've made are surprisingly cryptic. Is the BYU player down in the picture you posted? Yes or no?

 

[SaltyDawg]

FYI, it's a yes/no question. I'll ask again because some of the statements you've made are surprisingly cryptic. Is the BYU player down in the picture you posted? Yes or no?

Maybe, maybe not. The knee is part touching, part not, so it depends on which part you look at.

The point of me posting the picture was to show evidence that the ball was already loose before the player was down.

You can tell by the picture that even if he is down, he hasn't been down (butt still in the air, knee only halfway down), that is the instant that he went down. And at that instant, the ball is already out.


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[CONAN]

Maybe, maybe not. The knee is part touching, part not, so it depends on which part you look at.

The point of me posting the picture was to show evidence that the ball was already loose before the player was down.

You can tell by the picture that even if he is down, he hasn't been down (butt still in the air, knee only halfway down), that is the instant that he went down. And at that instant, the ball is already out.


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LOL! Ambiguous answers over an ambiguous pic. How surprising. I knew you wouldn't answer straight up.

 

[TroutBum]

Maybe, maybe not. The knee is part touching, part not, so it depends on which part you look at.

The point of me posting the picture was to show evidence that the ball was already loose before the player was down.

You can tell by the picture that even if he is down, he hasn't been down (butt still in the air, knee only halfway down), that is the instant that he went down. And at that instant, the ball is already out.


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Salty... Seriously. Stop man. You got your gift, you got your money -- for the love of all The Gods, shut the **** up.

Love Always,

Trout.

 

[gregbroncs]

Maybe, maybe not. The knee is part touching, part not, so it depends on which part you look at.

The point of me posting the picture was to show evidence that the ball was already loose before the player was down.

You can tell by the picture that even if he is down, he hasn't been down (butt still in the air, knee only halfway down), that is the instant that he went down. And at that instant, the ball is already out.


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God I hate agreeing with Conan. But the knee itself does not have to touch for him to be down, any part of the leg or arm except a foot or a hand touching and he is down. The player in your pic's calf is touching and he is down and has been down for a bit. He does not have the ball so it does not matter. Pretty much this pic is worthless to the argument.

I still agree the video is inconclusive as you can't see the ball carrier holding the ball when his knee touches. And the impartial refs agreed with that even after reviewing it.

Also this call was not the end all be all of the game. It definitely changes the dynamic at the finish but if BYU goes 3 and out or even a little longer Utah may score a TD with no time for BYU to even attempt that FG. The non call on the horse collar changed the dynamic of this game as well. If Utah gets that extra yardage they may get points. At this point it's all moot.

 

[Scat]

I don't see where the knee is when the ball comes out in your link. If you claim is in there, then post that shot.

I posted a clear shot showing the ball was out (not coming out, not being stripped, but already gone) while his butt was still in the air and the knee wasn't even all the way down yet.

Your link was not conclusive. It showed his knee, but didn't show where the ball started coming out.

Nice try though, homer.

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Watching the video vs your picture, your picture came after the knee had been firmly planted and then pulled back off the ground by the Utah defender. If you watch the video of when his knee actually hit the ground he still had the ball. Your picture is after that so it proves nothing other than another example of you being a self admitted cheat and liar to do anything that makes Utah look good.

That being said, for the game to hinge on that one play for BYU is just stupid. Maybe Bronco should have gone for the field goal earlier in the game. Bronco should be fired.