Following potential 2014 draftees

[fishonjazz]

With Burks not being a real good shooter, and Hayward's being inconsistent, and Burke shooting less then 40%... Smart seems like a bad fit in Utah. Seems we need to draft shooters at the wings.

Good point..... i never really looked at it like that.

Smart is the last guy of the top 6 -8 players that I want on the Jazz. Wiggins, Parker, Embiid, Exum, Noah V., Randle, Gordon before Smart.

I agree.
I dont want smart with our pick.
If we could trade the gs pick and a future first for him then i would be ok with picking him...... but not with our first pick this year

 

[Dr. Jones]

I genuinely want Exum considered, league wide, to be in the mix with the Wiggins/Parker/Embiid group as far as potential franchise cornerstones when the dust settles. That obviously good for us, especially if we pick top 4.

That said, I'm looking over a lot of film from him lately and some of it is convincing me he will be very good and some has me thinking he will be less than great. My biggest concern is, IMO, he isn't an elite athlete.

Now walk with me, Exum lover, and realize I'm not trying to player hate, just trying to talk myself through this in the early stages.

Positives:
-first step
-ability to breakdown a defender, one on one, and collapse a defense (this is obviously huge)
-Length/size
-Passing (seems to find the best shot on the floor)
-defensive upside because of said length

Negatives:
-not elite athletically
-not considered a shooter at this point
-a good deal of unknown or lesser than competition (yes, and some very good)
-looks to play out of control at times

I think come combine and individual workout time we will hear a lot more about how he currently looks and how much he's grown just in working out with Kobe's trainer. That said, if I'm his agent, I very much limit anything athletically at the combine and am pretty strict on individual workout parameters. His stock is very high right now and he has more to lose than gain.

Again, I truly hope he creates a "big 4".

Having been the first to mention Exum on this board and know people I trust that have watched him in person many times, I firmly believe it's big4.

He is quick.. so athleticism isn't overly important to me. Don't need highlight reel dunks, but do need some explosiveness, which he absolutely has.. and I'm also not convinced he isn't a very good athlete. I'd be very happy with Exum at #4.

 

[Hantlers]

I just like the line-ups we could have with Exum.

We could go:

Burke
Exum
Hayward
Favors
Kanter

or

Exum
Burks
Hayward
Favors
Kanter

Both lineups would leave either Burks or Burke as our 6th man, which is a role I feel that both could employ quite well. First lineup has better shooting, but the defensive potential in the backcourt for that 2nd unit would be pretty cool, lots of length.

Out of the top 3-4, I feel like Wiggins, Embiid and Exum have actually shown they can play a little defense, while Parker just can't…and yes, that does worry me.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I just like the line-ups we could have with Exum.

We could go:

Burke
Exum
Hayward
Favors
Kanter

or

Exum
Burks
Hayward
Favors
Kanter

Both lineups would leave either Burks or Burke as our 6th man, which is a role I feel that both could employ quite well. First lineup has better shooting, but the defensive potential in the backcourt for that 2nd unit would be pretty cool, lots of length.

Out of the top 3-4, I feel like Wiggins, Embiid and Exum have actually shown they can play a little defense, while Parker just can't…and yes, that does worry me.

Agree and actually meant to mention that in my previous post. Good on ya.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Is Gordon going to be 50% ft shooter in the nba? If so I don't want him. What good is he to us if teams just employ a hack a Shaq on him in crunch time. Plus as an explosive athlete like Gordon, he should be very good at getting to the ft line. Does this concern anyone else?

 

[fishonjazz]

Is Gordon going to be 50% ft shooter in the nba? If so I don't want him. What good is he to us if teams just employ a hack a Shaq on him in crunch time. Plus as an explosive athlete like Gordon, he should be very good at getting to the ft line. Does this concern anyone else?

Of course it concerns us.

if he was a better free throw shooter and shooter in general then he would be the number one pick imo

 

[silesian]

Draft myths

Dunking a NBA draft myth: "There are a surprisingly high number of draft picks go to teams outside the bottom 3 teams."

Facts: Under the current draft system, there have been 60 top-3 picks, 32 have gone to the bottom three teams, versus statistically predicted value of 33

 

[fishonjazz]

I just like the line-ups we could have with Exum.

We could go:

Burke
Exum
Hayward
Favors
Kanter

or

Exum
Burks
Hayward
Favors
Kanter

I like exum MUCH better at the one than the two.
Burks gets bullied by shooting guards in the league and he has decent size.

D wade, harden, wes matthews, hell even finesse guys like klay thompson would push exum around and post him up and punish him all day on the defensive end.
He wieghs 185 right?

I do like him at the point guard alot though. I have always wanted to have a big long point guard with big strides and a great first step.
I think if the jazz draft exum and he is as good as his hype says he is, then we should start taking offers for trey

 

[Batman]

I like exum MUCH better at the one than the two.
Burks gets bullied by shooting guards in the league and he has decent size.

D wade, harden, wes matthews, hell even finesse guys like klay thompson would push exum around and post him up and punish him all day on the defensive end.
He wieghs 185 right?

I do like him at the point guard alot though. I have always wanted to have a big long point guard with big strides and a great first step.
I think if the jazz draft exum and he is as good as his hype says he is, then we should start taking offers for trey

I agree with a lot of what you have said. If I was going to trade though, I would wait and maximize his value by playing him. I think he's going to improve a lot next season.

At the same time, I would be bummed if we parted ways with Trey. But could we make it work with Trey, Hayward, Exum, and Burks. Maybe, but most people like Hayward at the 2, which makes sense.

 

[fishonjazz]

I agree with a lot of what you have said. If I was going to trade though, I would wait and maximize his value by playing him. I think he's going to improve a lot next season.

At the same time, I would be bummed if we parted ways with Trey. But could we make it work with Trey, Hayward, Exum, and Burks. Maybe, but most people like Hayward at the 2, which makes sense.

Ya i agree about playing trey more before trading him to get more value from him and i also would hate to see him go.

 

[framer]

Is Gordon going to be 50% ft shooter in the nba? If so I don't want him. What good is he to us if teams just employ a hack a Shaq on him in crunch time. Plus as an explosive athlete like Gordon, he should be very good at getting to the ft line. Does this concern anyone else?

I have talked to a lot of U of A boosters who tell me that if you took Gordon to the gym right now in his warm ups he would shoot in the high 70's from the free throw line and regularly does that in practice. His poor FT shooting in games is either a mental or fatigue thing. If you watch him shoot FT's his form is fine. What he needs is a device like Malone or Hornacek had to calm him down before he hoists it up. He's only 18, I suspect that whatever the block is, it is fixable.

 

[silesian]

Chadd Ford's top Jazz picks

Parker, Wiggins, Emiid, Exum, Randle, Smart in that order. From playing lottery game a few dozen times until I could rank all versus the other.

 

[Hantlers]

I like exum MUCH better at the one than the two.
Burks gets bullied by shooting guards in the league and he has decent size.

D wade, harden, wes matthews, hell even finesse guys like klay thompson would push exum around and post him up and punish him all day on the defensive end.
He wieghs 185 right?

I do like him at the point guard alot though. I have always wanted to have a big long point guard with big strides and a great first step.
I think if the jazz draft exum and he is as good as his hype says he is, then we should start taking offers for trey

Eh…of course it will take him some time to get adjusted, but lets look at one of the players you mentioned. Klay Thompson.

Thompson is around 200-205 pounds…skinny frame. But he's strong and wiry, does a good job on defense. Just because Burks gets pushed around doesn't mean Exum would, just because of his size. Would I prefer him at the 2 spot? Not really, but I like that he can play there if he needs to. The ability for a PG to be able to play the 1 and 2 spot is huge, IMO. It gives a lineup a lot of options.

If we draft Exum, I would imagine that we're drafting him to be our PG of the future. Now I'm not sure how Burke would handle that, but frankly, I don't care. I still like the idea of this lineup the best:

Exum
Burks
Hayward
Favors
Kanter

with Burke coming off the bench. Then depending on who is hot, we can switch out Burks/Burke at will. I really do think that Burke would make a great 6th man, since he likes to shoot so much anyways.

 

[Stifle Tower]

At the same time, I would be bummed if we parted ways with Trey. But could we make it work with Trey, Hayward, Exum, and Burks. Maybe, but most people like Hayward at the 2, which makes sense.

Well, 96 mins at the 1 and 2 which means 32 each for Trey, Alec and Exum. Exum plays half his mins. at PG and half at SG. Hayward would have to move to SF full-time since none of the others have the size to play there defensively. The problem I have with Exum is I see him causing problems if he doesn't start. I could be totally wrong but that statement about only working out for certain teams should be a huge red flag. You could start Trey/Exum and move Hayward to SF, but that would be an affront to Alec. On the other hand, I'm not 100% sold on Trey. If Exum is Stockton and Trey is Green, then you draft Exum and trade Trey after next season.

 

[Hantlers]

Also, the last time that Exum was official measured (that I know of) was April 16, 2013…basically a year ago.

Measured in at 6'6 with shoes, 188 pounds and had a 6'9.25" wingspan. He was ~17 at the time…I think. Chances that he has gained weight since then? Pretty damn high. There's even a chance that he has grown, or will continue to grow. I wouldn't bet on it, but there is a chance. Anyways, his size is nothing to worry about, IMO. If anything, it's one of his biggest plusses.

 

[Hantlers]

Well, 96 mins at the 1 and 2 which means 32 each for Trey, Alec and Exum. Exum plays half his mins. at PG and half at SG. Hayward would have to move to SF full-time since none of the others have the size to play there defensively. The problem I have with Exum is I see him causing problems if he doesn't start. I could be totally wrong but that statement about only working out for certain teams should be a huge red flag. You could start Trey/Exum and move Hayward to SF, but that would be an affront to Alec. On the other hand, I'm not 100% sold on Trey. If Exum is Stockton and Trey is Green, then you draft Exum and trade Trey after next season.

In reading on Exum, it seems like everybody praises his attitude and unselfishness.

You're basing all of this off of Exum saying that he would love to go to LA…and well, who wouldn't? Great market, great team history, and you get to play with and learn from one of the greatest of all time in Kobe Bryant. I would be concerned if he said he didn't want to go there. Exum has done nothing to insinuate that he doesn't want to play somewhere, and has done nothing to insinuate that he needs to start. Knock it off with this stupid ********.

 

[fishonjazz]

If we draft Exum, I would imagine that we're drafting him to be our PG of the future.

Me too

 

[Elizah Huge]

What if Exum only works out for the Lakers and Magic? Do we care?

 

[yamers]

exum is a bust.

you guys can stop talking about exum....kid sux ***.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

What if Exum only works out for the Lakers and Magic? Do we care?

I don't think Trey worked out for the jazz, and we still traded up to get him.

exum is a bust.

you guys can stop talking about exum....kid sux ***.

This is the exact idiocy I'm talking about! You don't know **** about him. How the hell can you say he sucks or a bust, because you have no idea his style of play, his heart or attitude or weaknesses other then he plays against weak competition.