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spycam1 said:
My concerns with Vonleh:

-Lack of fire and assertiveness.
-Not terribly explosive.
-He has a base to build off of in the post, with his handles, and his jumper...but he's not yet advanced in any one of these categories.
-Feel for the game (he ranks DEAD LAST in the entire draft class in both assist to turnover ratio and assists per possession rate). And if you watch his scouting report, he just looks plain lost sometimes.
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I would need to see what he looks like in workouts. Randle and Vonleh are very close for me. Vonleh may be more explosive than we think, but clearly he's not as quick and brutish as Randle. He also seems like he could be the most redundant with what we already have in Favors and Kanter.
 
I'm having a hard time getting sold on Aaron Gordon. He's got a lot of development to do, and other than his size and athleticism, I'm just not seeing a whole lot of talent offensively. He defends almost like Dennis Rodman though.
 
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spycam1 said:
Yeah.

I can understand the argument for Vonleh, I suppose. But Randle, despite his weaknesses, has #Fire.
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Vonleh doesn't look like a 'fast-twitch' athlete to me. He's more a smooth and steady guy. Physically he reminds me a bit of Rashard Lewis, but he has more inside game. Vonleh's handle doesn't look that tight. I don't think he'll take more than a few dribbles on offense.
 
How can a guy that plays ball everyday not make half his free-throws? It's one thing if you're 7-feet tall and the ball feels like holding a canteloupe, but otherwise...
 
Catchall said:
I'm having a hard time getting sold on Aaron Gordon. He's got a lot of development to do, and other than his size and athleticism, I'm just not seeing a whole lot of talent. He looks like a somewhat rich man's Aminu to me. I might put Smart ahead of him on my board.
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After the top 4, the water is really muddy. I think there's good talent in the 5-9 range, but ranking them in any kind of order is tough, tbh.
 
The thing with Gordon is that I feel pretty confident saying that he'll never be a 1st or 2nd option on offense. He'll be an elite defender, but I have a hard time seeing him becoming more than a 3rd option in half court sets.

I still like him, though. And maybe he proves me wrong?
 
Gordon's shooting is awful, not just off, but awful. It looks like he has to learn to shoot from square one. There's just no touch or natural feel.

I think Randle and Vonleh are clearly ahead of Gordon, unless you're bent on drafting a defensive specialist. Randle, in particular, is starting to get underrated at this point.
 
spycam1 said:
Smart is one of the few players who can create his own shot, create for others, AND defend at a high level.

#Marc #Is #Smart
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He can create the shot, but doesn't make it until he fixes it :P

dalamon said:
who has the highest chance at becoming a #1 offensive option of a team with the 5th pick?
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I'd say Vonleh and Saric.
The issue I have with Randle is that even though it rhymes his nickname will never be Julius Handle. More like the 1 armed bandit. That would be instrumental for him to develop that.

With Vonleh I like that he's shown glimpses of ballhandling and shooting. He hasn't been given a big opportunity in Indiana which doesn't necessarily have something to do with his skillset but more his coach IMO. His body is very similar to Anthony Davis. He doesn't have his bodycontrol and mobility, but just his frame, long arms, size.

If his handles are for real I can see him do a lot of things that Aldridge does. Playing the pop game, fading out of the post, spinmoves to the basket, operating from the highpost, attacking the needle. Worst case he'd be Greg Monroe w/o passing but with shooting.

Saric is a scorer and playmaker. If he can continue to expand his shooting he'll be instant impact if he decides to come over this summer.
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Dario-Saric/International/24342/2014/By_Season/Per_Game/0/All_Leagues
After New Year he doubled the number of attempted 3s and while his accuracy is still streaky(I don't really like the arc of his 3 pointers and release point) it hasn't gone down. Rather up actually.
 
Catchall said:
How can a guy that plays ball everyday not make half his free-throws? It's one thing if you're 7-feet tall and the ball feels like holding a canteloupe, but otherwise...
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Agreed on that. I don't really play or shoot much anymore. Maybe a few times a year, and yet I still manage at least 50%


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Thee jazz fan said:
Agreed on that. I don't really play or shoot much anymore. Maybe a few times a year, and yet I still manage at least 50%


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Ouch, that's a burn. Aren't you like 60 years old or something? Aaron Gordon should be embarrassed.

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Has anyone else noticed that

Dante Exum and
Dental Exam

look similar? I thought it was interesting.

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Brehs if u see any articles on Noah Vonleh from 2010-2012, you will read about a 6'7" point forward that brings the ball up the court vs a press

His handle is advanced for a player of his size/age, as ive posted before his HS coach said hed pay the price of admission just to watch him work dribbling drills

“Wait ‘til the NBA guys get a real good look at him. Imagine him, running through those ball-handling drills for them. They’re going to be stunned.”

I dont care to make excuses for him as his body of work speaks for itself, but to kill him over aggressiveness is a bit of a headscratcher to me when his role was setting screens and rebounding (not creating offense), he had 7 games of 10FGA's or more, thats it.

when considering Noah in the NBA i think what has to have the most appeal is his potential to be one of the premier P+R and Pick and Pop guys, which i dont think would qualify him as a "#1 option" but itd be close, was Chris Bosh in Toronto a #1 guy? I think in the NBA you need an inside and outside scoring punch to be viable, Noah could definitely fill one of those rolls
 
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