Rumor: Jazz prepared to match 'any offer' for Hayward.
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GVC
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I don't see it.
I could see a team maybe going to 13 per (on average). On a 4-year deal, the Jazz match that OR try to work out a sign-and-trade with something ok coming back. Jazz probably won't have significant cap space beyond this summer, and a 4-year contract for an average or better starter is movable. Unless the Jazz convince a free agent they like better to sign, or work a sign-and-trade, Hayward will be back next season. The Jazz aren't in a position to let decent players walk for nothing.
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...which could backfire on Portland if the Jazz don't match and they are stuck with a bad contract and financial limitations for 4 years. If you are Portland GM, I don't think you take the risk of offering a contract just to screw a competitor financially....
...which could backfire on Portland if the Jazz don't match and they are stuck with a bad contract and financial limitations for 4 years. If you are Portland GM, I don't think you take the risk of offering a contract just to screw a competitor financially....
The farthest I would go is giving him the same exact deal Favs got, 4-year $49 mil. Which averages out to $12.25 mil a year.
Agreed 12 Mil and thats generous/overpaying, if he says no sign Deng he can be had for less and be a good mentor for Hood
Stifle Tower
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Coming from the same organization who thought they had made it too expensive for Utah to match Millsap's deal (huge signing bonus) and made that unprecedented offer to Matthews (bigger payout than even the #1 pick).
Deng won't sign here. We aren't a contender. We would have to way overpay for him to think about it.
Stifle Tower
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Phoenix need to see what Hayward does before deciding on Lebron & Mellow
Anyway, how long is the RFA period... in other words, when will we know one way or another on Hayward ?
Until the season begins. If Hayward hasn't reached an agreement before then, he can accept the qualifying offer, play out the year and then become an unrestricted free agent next summer.
QuinSnydersHair
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Agreed. If they have cap room, he'd be a nice fit on the Clips or to a lesser degree, Memphis.
CALJAZZFAN
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Deng is injury prone and it's only going to get worse (see AK). It's getting old to see every player think that he deserves to play for a ready made contender rather than trying to be part of creating a contender. So annoying.
Stifle Tower
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True.
If a team is under the salary floor, does anyone (GVC? Kenwood?) know how the money is distributed to the players on the roster? Is it an equal share across the board, or is it as a percentage of their salaries? Could be a nice "pitch" to Gordon in free agency as an added bonus. If Jazz are $15M under, Hayward gets a $1M bonus (or more).
GVC
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They probably shouldn't let him go for nothing. 4 year contracts with 4.5% raises aren't killers. If the Jazz don't have the opportunity to sign anyone better this offseason, and they can't find a decent S&T, they should match just about any offer.
GVC
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That explanation helps a bit, although it's not completely accurate. There are several different max amounts players can get based on service time, yes, but there are other considerations. Several players coming off rookie-scale contracts have been eligible for the same max amount as 9-year vets, for example.
Gordo is eligible for the 0-6 year max, which starts at a bit less than 25% of the cap.
The Fresh Prince
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billyshelby
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Gut feeling is Hayward doesn't want to come back. His agent will probably tell bidders only a MAX offer will get his signature, otherwise he won't sign any sheet and play out the season.
The smart financial choice is to leverage the best deal for himself and not care if DL matches, but he left 40 - 50 million on the table last season. So I can see him doing the same thing this offseason if choosing the next city he plays in as the thing he values most.
The smart financial choice is to leverage the best deal for himself and not care if DL matches, but he left 40 - 50 million on the table last season. So I can see him doing the same thing this offseason if choosing the next city he plays in as the thing he values most.
GVC
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Oof.
1. 25% of the cap (less, actually) for players with 0-6 years of service time is the "full max".
2. 30% of the cap (again, slightly less than this) is only the max for players with 7-9 years of service time (or certain players coming off rookie-scale contracts) who made less than 1/1.05 X 30% of the cap prior to receiving their max contract.
3. For players with 10+ years of service, the max is at least 35% of the cap (once again, it's slightly less than this). It could be more if 30% of the cap is less than 1.05X what the player made in the previous season.
"Full max" is as misleading as "mini max".
framer
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Yep, there is a little more warmth in my heart with every bad thing that happens to Portland. It's tough because I don't want to cheer against the players like I do for whoever is wearing a Lakers or a Rockets jersey, but I love it when things go wrong for them as an organization. Like that time when they threatened to sue anyone that signed and played Darius Miles? Pure Gold! It sincerely hope the owners and front office end up like the rich guys at the end of "Trading Places" sleeping in a cardboard box in an alleyway behind the Rose Garden.