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Rumor: Jazz prepared to match 'any offer' for Hayward.

One thing... Boston's not really a threat. They don't have space. It'd have to be a sign and trade unless they moved rondo for cap space.
 
As I read what a lot of Hayward supporters think, what locke and a lot of reporters say, and the fact that a number if GMs are after him I wonder if I'm super hard on him. I'm just so Meh on Hayward. He just doesn't do anything for me and I was against giving him more than $11 before the season and I think he proved me right.

I've heard people make the case for why we keep him. Can't let an asset go. Does the little things. Playmaking. Etc. I just don't care what he does at this point. It won't bother me to not see his clumsy *** on our team anymore. How many times a game did he get it stripped when trying it take a guy off the dribble.

Alright I'm being harsh. Better hit send before I keep going with this rant.
 
Lattimer said:
As I read what a lot of Hayward supporters think, what locke and a lot of reporters say, and the fact that a number if GMs are after him I wonder if I'm super hard on him. I'm just so Meh on Hayward. He just doesn't do anything for me and I was against giving him more than $11 before the season and I think he proved me right.

I've heard people make the case for why we keep him. Can't let an asset go. Does the little things. Playmaking. Etc. I just don't care what he does at this point. It won't bother me to not see his clumsy *** on our team anymore. How many times a game did he get it stripped when trying it take a guy off the dribble.

Alright I'm being harsh. Better hit send before I keep going with this rant.
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This is pretty much exactly how I feel as well.
 
Alright so let's put our thinking caps on what are your best sign and trade ideas... I have some but want to see what others think.
 
Lattimer said:
I've heard people make the case for why we keep him. Can't let an asset go. Does the little things. Playmaking. Etc. I just don't care what he does at this point. It won't bother me to not see his clumsy *** on our team anymore. How many times a game did he get it stripped when trying it take a guy off the dribble.

Alright I'm being harsh. Better hit send before I keep going with this rant.
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Assist to turnover ratio was 1.89. List him as a SG and Butler, Carter, Beal and Snell are higher. Ginobili was at 1.8. As a small forward, he's essentially equal to Batum. LBJ was at 1.6. Parsons was at 2.8. Assists per game he finished second behind Harden out of all SG's and SF's, but with more rebounds. Again, a disappointing season in terms of efficiency, but 16-5-5. He's going to get paid!
 
seattlejazzfan said:
This is another thing that is strange about people being willing to give him $12-14M or even more. They offered the $10.5 before last season, then he went out and had a subpar year - you don't go up the ante by $4M a year after he underperformed in his most important season. It simply doesn't make sense.
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You are not taking in to account the concept of The Market. The Market establishes value. Not message boards.
 
Core4 said:
It was rumored, but never confirmed, IIRC, that a Favors-type deal was floated. But no one confirmed whether that was from the Jazz or what Hayward wanted. The only thing I remember reading is that the sides were several million apart. But again, no one knows whether that was per year or over the entire contract.
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Pretty much correct...
https://www.deseretnews.com/article...-hand.html?pg=all&ref=https://www.google.com/

"While exact details of the negotiations haven’t been made public, it was reported by Yahoo Sports that the sides were millions of dollars apart when talks ceased. Hayward’s agent Mark Bartelstein said his client was not seeking a max deal, but it’s been reported that Hayward’s camp was hoping for more than the $47.7 million extension Jazz power forward Derrick Favors signed two weeks ago."

My guess, the Jazz offered around ~$42-44M deal over 4 years.
 
Core4 said:
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MAX deal would have been $14.7M (25% of the cap), so I'd guess from the article he was asking for around $50M.
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You need to multiply that number by about 42.14/44.74. Max salaries are based on a different number than the cap.
 
Core4 said:
Assist to turnover ratio was 1.89. List him as a SG and Butler, Carter, Beal and Snell are higher. Ginobili was at 1.8. As a small forward, he's essentially equal to Batum. LBJ was at 1.6. Parsons was at 2.8. Assists per game he finished second behind Harden out of all SG's and SF's, but with more rebounds. Again, a disappointing season in terms of efficiency, but 16-5-5. He's going to get paid!
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I think this was because all those teams have guys that were the primary ball handlers. When guys like Butler, Beal, and Parsons got the ball they were looking to score while Hayward was ask to facilitate the offense not just score as he was the main ball handler in most of the offensive sets.
 
I remember hearing either Zach Lowe or Kevin Pelton say that Hayward is below average defensively.

Can't remember if it was on a podcast or they were a guest host? Anyone remember this and where it might be?


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Going through the trade machine thinking we can do a 3 team trade sending Hayward to the Cavs and Dion Waiters and others to another team that gets us a legit SF...........

I didn't realize how many teams don't have SF's anymore. There isn't really anybody available. SF's are a rare commodity it seems.

Sounds like we will probably keep Hayward and use him as a 3. Unless there is some player I am not seeing.
 
I'm confused. I heard last season that the most we can pay Hayward is 12.8 and the longest we can sign him for is four years. I keep hearing crazy numbers on the radio of 14 & 15 mil and they keep saying five years. Is it true that we can pay up to 14 or 15 million for Hayward or is 12.8 still the max.
 
sojodave said:
I'm confused. I heard last season that the most we can pay Hayward is 12.8 and the longest we can sign him for is four years. I keep hearing crazy numbers on the radio of 14 & 15 mil and they keep saying five years. Is it true that we can pay up to 14 or 15 million for Hayward or is 12.8 still the max.
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You heard wrong last season....
 
Core4 said:
Assist to turnover ratio was 1.89. List him as a SG and Butler, Carter, Beal and Snell are higher. Ginobili was at 1.8. As a small forward, he's essentially equal to Batum. LBJ was at 1.6. Parsons was at 2.8. Assists per game he finished second behind Harden out of all SG's and SF's, but with more rebounds. Again, a disappointing season in terms of efficiency, but 16-5-5. He's going to get paid!
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Deceiving. Guys like Lebron and Manu drive all the time. I'll give them a free pass when they do occasionally turn it over. Hayward decides to try to take a guy off the dribble once and the ball's going the other way.
 
gregbroncs said:
I think Hayward is a better player than he showed last year. I really think a bunch of guys on this roster are better than they showed last year. But I still think paying him over 10M per year is insane. I'd almost rather have Parsons than Hayward and if Hayward is getting more money then I definitely would rather have Parsons. I hope to have Hayward back, I really like the way he plays. But the money needs to be right.
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I was one firmly against the Jazz giving AK a max contract. For a lot of the same reason's I don't want anything to do with Hayward as a max or even near max player. I just don't think he has it in him to live up to that kind of contract. Even if he is better than he showed under a terrible system/coach.
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Parsons is probably going to get over 10M per year also.
 
sojodave said:
I'm confused. I heard last season that the most we can pay Hayward is 12.8 and the longest we can sign him for is four years. I keep hearing crazy numbers on the radio of 14 & 15 mil and they keep saying five years. Is it true that we can pay up to 14 or 15 million for Hayward or is 12.8 still the max.
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The most other teams can offer is 25% of the salary cap with smaller raise for 4 years.

The Jazz can offer the same 25% but with bigger % raise for 5 years.

25% of cap in 2013-14 will be $13.7 Mil.

https://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q16
 
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