Jazz acquire Novak from Raptors

[Game6Conley]

Haha ok i was going to make a post here drunk last night but I waited;

The Tony Jones tweet, that the Jazz see him as a backup to Kanter at PF should scare everyone a bit if true. Steve Novak isnt backup quality anymore, hes an end of the bench guy.

Steve is so bad defensively that teams would be dumb not to focus on him. Hes actually less mobile than Matt Bonner tbh, You're much more likely to see Bonner taking one dribble past a closeout for a better shot.

I've always been a HUGE Steve Novak fan, since college, but it seems in this thread people are overrating him abit, he might be the most stationary player in the league, an absolute turnstile on defense, hes 31..

There's no way hes as good as Jeremy Evans at this point, its not even close.

The question with Novak is if hes serviceable at all, not if hes ready to play backup PF minutes.

He's great for this locker room though, Im sure in practice he can put all the other shooters on the jazz to shame, Novak has the size and shooting mechanics which allow him to take 40 footers in perfect form.

For someone who shoots such a high percentage, hes actually a bit streaky, When Steve is hot, he really gets hot though, Hes a "microwave" type of player, meaning he only needs to make 1 or 2 shots in a row to get really zoned in.

 

[bjunior]

I've always been a HUGE Steve Novak fan, since college, but it seems in this thread people are overrating him abit, he might be the most stationary player in the league, an absolute turnstile on defense, hes 31..

dl builds the spurs way

novak = bonner, and 3 years younger

 

[Borat]

This guy has a 2-year deal for $7 mil, that's not bad in any stretch of imagination.

Not bad? We just wasted 7 mil of money and cap room for a pathetic scrub. With Hayward likely returning (Jazz said they will match any offer and looks like max offers was just bs) and having just drafted Hood, having Evans, why are we bringing in a scrub forward that is on more than a one year deal, while wasting 7 mil in the process?

Sure, I see how we did a solid to Toronto who wanted to dump this useless scrub, but to take on 7 mil, occupy CAP space not only for this but next year just for a second round pick seems like a very bad trade to me.

 

[Noomskull]

Not bad? We just wasted 7 mil of money and cap room for a pathetic scrub. With Hayward likely returning (Jazz said they will match any offer and looks like max offers was just bs) and having just drafted Hood why are we bring in a scrub forward that is on more than a one year deal, while wasting 7 mil in the process?

Sure, I see how we did a solid to Toronto who wanted to dump this useless scrub, but to take on 7 mil, occupy CAP space not only for this but next year just for a second round pick seems like a very bad trade to me.

Calm down little grasshopper. Very few people are dead eye shooters and we just got one. IMO, Novak's here to essentially be a shooting coach who can play spot minutes. Sure 3.5 mil may be a bit much for this role but do you honestly think his contract will in any way hamper the organization's future?

 

[Game6Conley]

Thanks for the link but I'm looking for more of the opinions of the JF posters. The board have huge threads about the draft classes and there are folks who follow them closely.

I've done some pretty extensive research on these future drafts, 2015 doesn't have near the depth of this year, and there's no way 2015 is better than 2016 or 2017, but it should be much better than 2013 and 2011.

In 2013 obviously there was no clear cut #1, that will be decided between Emannuelle Mudiay (Athletic 6'4 PG) and Jahlil Okafor. There also looks like a solid top 6 or top 8, something like that.

I dont expect PKM or some of the posters here who follow HS recruiting to be nearly as high on the 2015 draft as me, heres why, I like the International players in this draft, I think they may end up being one of the biggest strengths.

It looks to me like there's a steep decline (into 2nd rd talent) around the early 20's or late teens... So i think the Jazz will safely get a good player without tanking TBH.

Is this draft worth doing a full out tank for? I'd lean towards no.

But if the Jazz were to tank, I'd say they could get paid off bigtime for it, I think a few of the top tier players fit really well here, Karl Towns is an ultra skilled 7'er, hed be worth the tank. If the Jazz were to land a top pick, they might be able to get a kings ransom for it in trade, (Especially if Mudiay is the real deal).

Stanley Johnson (projected top-5) weighed in at 235 lbs at the KD skills camp the other day(hes almost entering Lebron territory), hes a 6'7" SF whos strong as an ox, hes also very explosive, and a monster on defense, the Jazz could use a player like him in the worst way.

 

[Borat]

[since trading Memo for HUGE salary relief AND a 2nd rounder which is still a miracle to think about]).

Yes, that WAS a miracle that we actually dumped Memo AND got a second round pick in return, but second round picks are not that valuable. What's really pathetic is that Toronto just screwed us just now about as bad as we screwed the Nets in that trade. At least Memo was on 10 mil expiring contract, and there was no commitment beyond one year. We are taking on 7 mil, but over two years, which is worse. Also Memo at least had a chance of being a decent player had he recovered. Novak has been a 12th man on a bad team for some time.

And for what - a second round pick? Toronto just had their way with DL, just like we did with Nets a few years back. Does not feel good to be on the receiving end.

 

[UGLI baby]

Yes, that WAS a miracle that we actually dumped Memo AND got a second round pick in return, but second round picks are not that valuable. What's really pathetic is that Toronto just screwed us just now about as bad as we screwed the Nets in that trade. At least Memo was on 10 mil expiring contract, and there was no commitment beyond one year. We are taking on 7 mil, but over two years, which is worse. Also Memo at least had a chance of being a decent player had he recovered. Novak has been a 12th man on a bad team for some time.

And for what - a second round pick? Toronto just had their way with DL, just like we did with Nets a few years back. Does not feel good to be on the receiving end.

Ummm, no bro.

 

[The Thriller]

My goodness people...

We got a 3 pt specialist who can play beautifully in situations for nothing. Garrett is a dime a dozen 3rd stringer. We could easily replace him with a call to UVU's Ronnie Price... Assuming he still plays basketball . Even if he didn't, just bring up some D leaguer. So relax and stop acting like we just traded away Lebron.

Lastly, are you idiots insane? Playing Bonner helped SA tip the scales against OKC. SITUATIONS and MATCHUPS. I know it's difficult for some of you to understand. But for the rest of us who understand basketball, we get it. Not every player is going to be a 20 pt iso player or lockdown defender. Using the logic I've seen in some of these posts here, we wouldn't ever be able to fill in a roster because "x player doesn't defend."

Novak can play a vital role in floor spacing, 4 qtr shooting, and bench scoring. Relax, I doubt he'll have a bigger role than The Red Rocket from SA.

DL is bringing in his SA experience here. He's surrounding us with good athletes and 3 pt bombers. Now hopefully some of the crap drafted by KOC forms into our own Big 3.

It just wouldn't be jazzfanz if folks weren't freaking out and bitching about every move no matter how small it is.

 

[silesian]

If Jazz are doing salary dumps for picks again, I would rather have Lin or Boozer and get multiple first rounders.

Why would the Bulls give us a first round pick instead of amnestying Boozer?

 

[The Thriller]

Yes, that WAS a miracle that we actually dumped Memo AND got a second round pick in return, but second round picks are not that valuable. What's really pathetic is that Toronto just screwed us just now about as bad as we screwed the Nets in that trade. At least Memo was on 10 mil expiring contract, and there was no commitment beyond one year. We are taking on 7 mil, but over two years, which is worse. Also Memo at least had a chance of being a decent player had he recovered. Novak has been a 12th man on a bad team for some time.

And for what - a second round pick? Toronto just had their way with DL, just like we did with Nets a few years back. Does not feel good to be on the receiving end.

It was consensual.

Tor wanted to shed salary and DL saw an opportunity to obtain a situational 3 pt bomber for nothing. This might have been a Snyder move as well since isn't he supposedly eager to run and gun and shoot 3s? I remember that being his staple at Mizzou with Kareem Rush. It has also become SA's style too.

 

[Growlor]

My favorite thing about JazzFanz is that the line between "Reaction" and Overreaction" is so thin.

 

[Lost_Jazz_Fan]

Floor spacing 3-pt specialist for basically a scrub? Sounds like working my magic on the NBA2K games. Very good pickup for the Jazz, if some can't see that you don't understand basketball. Dead-eye long range shooters are not easy to come by and like SA proved, can tip the tide in a game or series.

Excellent move by DL and company.

 

[My2Cents]

Why would the Bulls give us a first round pick instead of amnestying Boozer?

So they don't have to pay him 17 million dollars.

 

[zman1527]

Floor spacing 3-pt specialist for basically a scrub? Sounds like working my magic on the NBA2K games. Very good pickup for the Jazz, if some can't see that you don't understand basketball. Dead-eye long range shooters are not easy to come by and like SA proved, can tip the tide in a game or series.

Excellent move by DL and company.

Exactly. Jazz have talked for years about wanting shooters, but not actually getting them. Good to see DL go for one. And guys like Garrret are a dime a dozen.

 

[bjunior]

My goodness people...

We got a 3 pt specialist who can play beautifully in situations for nothing. Garrett is a dime a dozen 3rd stringer. We could easily replace him with a call to UVU's Ronnie Price... Assuming he still plays basketball . Even if he didn't, just bring up some D leaguer. So relax and stop acting like we just traded away Lebron.

Lastly, are you idiots insane? Playing Bonner helped SA tip the scales against OKC. SITUATIONS and MATCHUPS. I know it's difficult for some of you to understand. But for the rest of us who understand basketball, we get it. Not every player is going to be a 20 pt iso player or lockdown defender. Using the logic I've seen in some of these posts here, we wouldn't ever be able to fill in a roster because "x player doesn't defend."

Novak can play a vital role in floor spacing, 4 qtr shooting, and bench scoring. Relax, I doubt he'll have a bigger role than The Red Rocket from SA.

DL is bringing in his SA experience here. He's surrounding us with good athletes and 3 pt bombers. Now hopefully some of the crap drafted by KOC forms into our own Big 3.

It just wouldn't be jazzfanz if folks weren't freaking out and bitching about every move no matter how small it is.

says a guy that wants hayward out

 

[infection]

Do people realize we're talking about 3.5 million for the next two years? Why so much melodrama and bemoaning as if this were a significant cap hit preventing us from other moves?

There's no way hes as good as Jeremy Evans at this point, its not even close.

Maybe not, but some talents are needed more than others, which will make Novak more valuable and receive more minutes on this squad.

For someone who shoots such a high percentage, hes actually a bit streaky, When Steve is hot, he really gets hot though, Hes a "microwave" type of player, meaning he only needs to make 1 or 2 shots in a row to get really zoned in.

So I guess when he's cold then he's about on par with a Marvin "the stretch 4" Williams who's hot.

 

[eacioban]

Floor spacing 3-pt specialist for basically a scrub? Sounds like working my magic on the NBA2K games. Very good pickup for the Jazz, if some can't see that you don't understand basketball. Dead-eye long range shooters are not easy to come by and like SA proved, can tip the tide in a game or series.

Excellent move by DL and company.

I agree - watch the following video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7MZWoyrCmo

Novak's shooting is far from streaky - it is cold blood calculation and predictability on his part, and it is so calculated and predictable that most defenders can't do nothing to stop it. Do we have anyone on the team that is even close to being able to do that? No... Novak shoot the ball knowing it is going in, other current Jazz players shoot and hope it goes in. Novak introduce a vital ability to this team at a low price, low maintenance.

Great deal by DL!

 

[gregbroncs]

True, but the difference gets paid out to the players on the roster. WE get a 2nd and Novak is a guy who can even be traded again to a contender who needs some 3-pt shooting this year or next. It's a "meh' move, but like someone else pointed out, you never know when a 2nd is going to find another Millsap, be combined to move up, or just be that asset that has to be given up by the Jazz for another trade to happen.

I just pointed it out because I am repeatedly seeing posts on here stating the they have to get to the salary floor. And that is simply untrue.
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The move itself I like. I don't think he'll play much but he's a decent situational player that we got for nothing.

 

[Game6Conley]

Dead-eye long range shooters are not easy to come by and like SA proved, can tip the tide in a game or series.

Excellent move by DL and company.

Its really not, they could have done better.

Ioannis Papapetrau is an UDFA this year that id prefer over Novak, hes also a set shot guy. he shot 48% from 3 in the euroleague this year, Ioannis would have cost more than your average UDFA but less than Novak certainly. hes 20 or 21 and has solid build to him, hes got some potential to do other things than shoot, hes passable in areas where Novak wasn't a factor in his prime.

I'd have much rather spent that $ on Tyler Honeycutt who in his early 20's athletic and proficient from 3 in Israel this last season he does plenty of other things well, too bad hes going to SL with the Heat.

Some are minimizing his salary because its relation to the cap. 3,750,000 could have be spent better for next season though, theres no doubt about that, just give it a week or 2 to see these contracts for context. I dont think Anthony Morrow is going to land some huge contract and hes much more serviceable than Steve.

The more I think about this the more i think that the 2nd rounder (do we know what year?) is the actual piece in this trade, which may have the most on court value. Novak is a great lockerroom guy i think thats a major part in this move too, theres probably some salary floor ramifications and they must like when his contract expires.

Now that the 2014 draft is done, the Jazz should start angling towards the 2017 Draft ASAP, It looks like they're ahead of the pack already. I do like these moves for the future drafts the Jazz have been making.

 

[gregbroncs]

Well, the real question should be why does DL keep acquiring 2nd rounders when he obviously does not know what to do with them. Still can't fathom why we traded this years second when there was obvious 1st round talent on the board.

Too many young guys already. Might as well stash that for the future. And maybe they did not see real talent there.