Jazz Officially Matched Hayward According to Woj

[GVC]

The NBA GM's and agents do this for a living, every day. The thought that the Jazz got snookered is ridiculous. Hayward, regardless of offer, had no intention of signing it. There was no reason for him to because their was little downside.

So...Why did Favors sign an extension? Does his agent not do this for a living, every day? Was the downside different for Favors than it was for Gordo? Do you really think Gordo wouldn't have accepted $14mm per year?

Granted, the fanbase and media would have gone nuts had the Jazz signed Gordo to an extension at $14mm per year, but that alone isn't a good reason not to offer it. In the end, Gordo's agent was right, DL and Favors' agent were wrong.

 

[Diamond77]

You understand the price for him to come to Utah would have been more, right?

For me this story that good players dislike to move to SLC is a an urban legend.

Cleveland is a small market and an ugly city too but it attract good players.

 

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For me this story that good players dislike to move to SLC is a an urban legend.

Everyone dislikes moving.

Playing for the Jazz makes you less visible to everyone except Jazz fans. Few good players want to be invisible.

 

[Shocker00]

Ariza at 12 mil a year > Hayward at 16 mil a year

I agree!
Ariza better defensively, fg% 3pt%, rebounds, 8m

Even if we had to pay 10m-12m but nobody knows for sure if we would have to pay more. Lot of people around hear assume things to accommodate for the Jazz mistakes. I agree that a lot of free agents prefer to go to winning teams and to big markets, but there is also a large group of players that don't like all the attention they get and would prefer a smaller city. You never know unless you try.....

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

For me this story that good players dislike to move to SLC is a an urban legend.

Cleveland is a small market and an ugly city too but it attract good players.

This might be true if we were good... We aren't a contender or a great destination which means we have to overpay to get players in if we can even get them to consider us.

 

[slc]

Can't understand Hayward's contract.
Right now there is only a handful of players that got bigger contracts than Hayward.
Bosh, LeBron, and who else.

 

[Qman]

Can't understand Hayward's contract.
Right now there is only a handful of players that got bigger contracts than Hayward.
Bosh, LeBron, and who else.

That isn't how contracts work. Max contracts are based on a percentage of the salary cap. The salary cap has gone up a lot recently. If they got rid of the 'max' contract limits then Lebron would be getting $40 mil a year or so.

 

[cowhide]

People are being presumptuous that he would even go to Utah. Why are so many Jazz fans unable to see that quality FA's don't want to play there. Especially not when the team is that far removed from playoff caliber.

YOu have a point about us not being a playoff team yet but Utah is a pretty stable franchise and we have a lot of young talent. This idea that no one wants to come to Utah because Utah sucks is so 1980s. There are many different reasons why guys go where they go. Lebron just left Miami for Cleveland. Who would do that? LA can't get anyone to go there. I still think there is sunny weather there.

 

[BTP]

Players can play in summer league without a contract - they'd just get insurance first. Wiggins remains unsigned, but played last night.

Obviously the Jazz don't plan on using that cap space anymore for salary dumps. I have enough trust in Lindsey et al. to trust that they done their due diligence in regards to potential use of the cap space. Nor do I really think it's a huge benefit to Charlotte by matching a day early. It's Charlotte. Who are they going to sign today that they couldn't sign tomorrow?

I heard randle didnt play because of a health issue

https://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/lakersnow/la-sp-ln-lakers-julius-randle-summer-league-20140628-story.html

 

[sgjazzfan]

I agree!
Ariza better defensively, fg% 3pt%, rebounds, 8m

Even if we had to pay 10m-12m but nobody knows for sure if we would have to pay more. Lot of people around hear assume things to accommodate for the Jazz mistakes. I agree that a lot of free agents prefer to go to winning teams and to big markets, but there is also a large group of players that don't like all the attention they get and would prefer a smaller city. You never know unless you try.....

Ariza was better for 1 year! Haywards career stats are better than Ariza's. Heck, Haywards Career stats are probably close to as good as the 4 best years Ariza has had. Hayward is 23. When Ariza was 23, he averaged probably around 6 points a game and shot less than 30 percent from 3's. Ariza played well last year, but the 2 years before that, he was outplayed. He also had John Wall taking attention away from him and was able to be a complimentary player. Hayward had defenses focused on him and struggled a bit (as Ariza would too) but was still able to score almost 17 ppg. Hayward is a better player. And Ariza wasn't coming to Utah anyway. He was likely looking for a good deal with a contender first, then a great deal with a non contender. He got a good deal with Houston and will probably do pretty well, because teams will be focusing on Harden and Howard.

 

[UGLI baby]

Ariza was better for 1 year! Haywards career stats are better than Ariza's. Heck, Haywards Career stats are probably close to as good as the 4 best years Ariza has had. Hayward is 23. When Ariza was 23, he averaged probably around 6 points a game and shot less than 30 percent from 3's. Ariza played well last year, but the 2 years before that, he was outplayed. He also had John Wall taking attention away from him and was able to be a complimentary player. Hayward had defenses focused on him and struggled a bit (as Ariza would too) but was still able to score almost 17 ppg. Hayward is a better player. And Ariza wasn't coming to Utah anyway. He was likely looking for a good deal with a contender first, then a great deal with a non contender. He got a good deal with Houston and will probably do pretty well, because teams will be focusing on Harden and Howard.

Yup. Embarrassing to read some of this "Hayward dunno how to play basketball!!" stuff just because we had to overpay for him.

Ariza is way way closer to Marvin Williams than he is Hayward, and I will bet anything we just saw a better season from Ariza than he will have in the rest of his career.


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[The Thriller]

I hope the people saying this will not hurt us in the future are correct. I just can't see this as a good move. But I really hope I'm wrong and that Hayward shows to be worth more than a lot of us think or that the salary cap goes up enough to make it bearable.
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Either way I think this is the 1st move I really disagree with since DL took over as GM.

They're mostly the same people who said that ak47 was worth the max.

You can't fix stupid.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Yup. Embarrassing to read some of this "Hayward dunno how to play basketball!!" stuff just because we had to overpay for him.

Ariza is way way closer to Marvin Williams than he is Hayward, and I will bet anything we just saw a better season from Ariza than he will have in the rest of his career.


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Good comparison. Ariza is like a MW. He'll give you some nice games, but never great. Have a hard time believing after 10 years, he's finally a 46%/41% shooter, when the 9 years before says otherwise. He's also 29, so a decline is likely coming. AS much as I HATE what Hayward is getting, I'd say there's a bigger likelihood of Hayward approaching the value of his contract for 4 years than there is of Ariza being worth $32M.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Can't understand Hayward's contract.
Right now there is only a handful of players that got bigger contracts than Hayward.
Bosh, LeBron, and who else.

On a per year basis:
James, Bosh, Kobe, Amare, Joe Johnson, Howard, Irving, Wall, Cousins, Paul, Durant, Deron, Gay, Rose, Griffin, Boozer, Randolph, M. Gasol, George, Love, Westbrook, B. Lopez, Aldridge, Lee.

His deal will start at about the same as Asik, Lin, Hibbert and E. Gordon are making this season.

And remember, salaries "leapfrog" so some players may sign deals next season which will move them ahead of Gordon. From his draft class, Wall and George were both extended for a lot more money. Cousins will make about 3 million more.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Good comparison. Ariza is like a MW. He'll give you some nice games, but never great. Have a hard time believing after 10 years, he's finally a 46%/41% shooter, when the 9 years before says otherwise. He's also 29, so a decline is likely coming. AS much as I HATE what Hayward is getting, I'd say there's a bigger likelihood of Hayward approaching the value of his contract for 4 years than there is of Ariza being worth $32M.

The folks saying Ariza is better are just grass-is-greener people. Really hope Hayward has a better year and quiets some of the hate. I don't love the contract either but there just isn't much out there that fills our needs and there is a ton of money on the market. With the amount of buyers there are out there for him we will be able to move him for other assets if need be.

 

[Hedda Gambler]

Everyone keeps forgetting about Burks and Kanter, if they break out then their contracts would cause problems if Exum is a star. I guess if anything Hayward would just be gone anyway.

Do you guys even realize what you are saying? If Burks and Kanter break out and Exum is a star, we will have a dynamite team on our hands. Other teams will be dying to take any of them off our hands and we will be in a position where we can make trades based on needs to take the team further. How the **** can three of our players turning out to be great be a problem?

 

[NUMBERICA]

People keep saying we should have used the cap space to absorb contracts and acquire picks...

I think a GSW trade like last year is going to be less likely for the next couple of years because so many teams have cap space.

Something we could possibly do now though is in a couple years trade Hayward to a contender, take back a similar but underperforming contract, and also receive an asset in the process. Obviously that requires a pretty specific scenario, but it is not out of the question at all.

I think people are really losing sight of the fact that Gordon Hayward is first and foremost a good basketball player and valuable to the team on the court, but also it is absurd to think he all of the sudden is some un tradable asset that is going to cost us numerous "cap rental" type of deals.

I didn't want us to match, but I'm also not gonna go full Artard and pretend like there isn't a lot of positives about keeping a young, really good player on our team.

Yeah, pretty much nailed it. I really hate the precedent that this sets probably more than anything, but it is what it is.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Also, when did a healthy AK47 come off the bench for a significant amount of time during the Boozer/Memo/AK/ era? I'd like to know.

Millsap.

Nice personal insults though. I thought this board had a rule against those? Colton, Nate, etc? Where are you guys?

Sorry you can't take what you try to dish (and miserably fail at).

 

[jazzrule]

People in this thread are criminally dumb.

How does it feel to be one of the inmates?

 

[jazzrule]

Welcome back Gordon Hayward........hate your contract, but wish you much success. At least I don't have to change my avatar. LOL