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Cy said:
I wonder how much of BYU's success can be attributed to the fact that a lot of their players are older because of mission trips? I'm sure they get rusty at football, but I'm also sure they workout and get swole during those trips too.
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It helps the big guys (o-line, defensive tackles) and hurts everyone else imo.
 
fishonjazz said:
What does that have to do with the whether or not I want byu to be in a power conference?

Even if we go 3-8 for 10 years, I still want to be in a power conference
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I'm just curious as to what your expectations would be. So, how many years would it take to be bowl eligible? And remember, Hill will get hurt. Look at Utah and TCU. Is your backup good enough to win 5-6 games against P5 teams?

I guess my point is, and you seem to be the exception, that I'm not sure typical BYU fan, like Duck, could handle the transition.

Case in point: in every single QB statistical category, Wilson is a significantly better QB than Hill when healthy their difference? Wilson plays a much tougher schedule. Hill can hide his faults against weak teams. Yet, most BYU fans feel that Hill will compete for a Heisman and end up in the NFL HOF and Wilson will end up a bum.

What would happen, when last year BYU only sold out the Utah game, if BYU went to the Big 12 and went 4-8 like TCU? Would BYU give Bronco the 4-5 years to build depth? And where does that depth come from? The honor code limits your recruiting pool. And before you say "LDS kids" where are the extra 10-15 four-five star kids per year telling people if BYU was in a big conference they'd come to BYU?

I think the road would be much tougher for BYU in a P5 conference due to the HC than TCU or Utah. I don't think BYU fan is very realistic about this.
 
UGLI baby said:
They have lines out months in advance??


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I have read articles that have said that byu is favored in all thier games.

There might be lines out already..... I don't have any idea. But you don't always need a Vegas line to have a team favored.

I have utah utes favored over Colorado currently for example..... as I'm sure most everyone does.

I think that the Seattle seahawks are favorites against the rams even though there is no line for that game.
 
fishonjazz said:
I have read articles that have said that byu is favored in all thier games.

There might be lines out already..... I dint have any idea. But you don't always need a Vegas line to have a team favored.

I have utah utes favored over Colorado currently for example..... as I'm sure most everyone does.

I think that the Seattle seahawks are favorites against the rams even though there is no line for that game.
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I see.

I def have UCF and Cal favored over byu.

For ppl with bad memories, byu is "gonna go undefreated and win heisman!" Literally every single year.


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green said:
I'm just curious as to what your expectations would be. So, how many years would it take to be bowl eligible? And remember, Hill will get hurt. Look at Utah and TCU. Is your backup good enough to win 5-6 games against P5 teams?

I guess my point is, and you seem to be the exception, that I'm not sure typical BYU fan, like Duck, could handle the transition.

Case in point: in every single QB statistical category, Wilson is a significantly better QB than Hill when healthy their difference? Wilson plays a much tougher schedule. Hill can hide his faults against weak teams. Yet, most BYU fans feel that Hill will compete for a Heisman and end up in the NFL HOF and Wilson will end up a bum.

What would happen, when last year BYU only sold out the Utah game, if BYU went to the Big 12 and went 4-8 like TCU? Would BYU give Bronco the 4-5 years to build depth? And where does that depth come from? The honor code limits your recruiting pool. And before you say "LDS kids" where are the extra 10-15 four-five star kids per year telling people if BYU was in a big conference they'd come to BYU?

I think the road would be much tougher for BYU in a P5 conference due to the HC than TCU or Utah. I don't think BYU fan is very realistic about this.
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I think that the big 12 is kinda weak this year and I think that byu would be bowl eligible if they were in the big 12 this season.

If they were in the pac 12 and scheduled 2 opening games similar to the utes plus a third cupcake (instead of michigan) and had a favorable conference schedule (cal, colorado, washinton state, washington, oregon state or something like that) then I think they could be bowl eligible.

With the utes schedule, probably not though
 
UGLI baby said:
I see.

I def have UCF and Cal favored over byu.

For ppl with bad memories, byu is "gonna go undefreated and win heisman!" Literally every single year.


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You are ute fan though so of course you do.

Read some national arcticles about byu and thier schedule/going undefeated and you will see that everyone besides ute fans have byu favored. (There is an arcticle on grantland right now about taysom and byu...... Plus duck rogers put some links in this thread for ya ;-))
 
fishonjazz said:
You are ute fan though so of course you do.

Read some national arcticles about byu and thier schedule/going undefeated and you will see that everyone besides ute fans have byu favored. (There is an arcticle on grantland right now about taysom and byu...... Plus duck rogers put some links in this thread for ya ;-))
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Welp, pretty much seals the deal! Congrats on the awesome season bro!!


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Triangle Man said:
I get the feel that the people you are talking about are the minority, but the more outspoken minority. I would think the majority of the fans are fairly realistic and know that while a no loss season would be great, it's really really hard to do no matter what the competition level is. It could possibly be that some people try to be hopeful and focus on the positive, to a fault and brush over some of the less fun realities out there.

The idea that the majority are holier than thou "clueless honks" is about the same that the majority of Ute fans are beer guzzling cocky mormon haters. I'm sure for each fan base this is true for some people, but neither are the majority for sure.

BTW, super long shot for a Taysom heisman even if he tears it up and jumps multiple players on TD runs every game. I think people are just excited that BYU actually has someone that is even mentioned in the same sentence as the word heisman.

As to head and shoulders, tough to compare this year as BYU and Utah don't play. Utah has had BYU's number for sure the last decade or so. Tough to argue that Utah's program is not better than BYU's during that span. The only realistic argument for saying they are about even is that Utah has learned to play better than normal against BYU, but that's iffy.

I'll say this, BYU the last couple of years is much faster than has historically been the case, maybe across the board, and Utah has had a rough go in the Pac12. Probably more even than both fan bases care to think it is.

/thesisstatement
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I liked your post because I agree with most of it, but I don't think it's a toss up over who has a better team this year. It's Utah. Before you just dismiss me as a homer, let me try to make a compelling argument free of smack talk:

-While Taysom is more dynamic than Travis Wilson, Utah has shown that when Wilson is healthy, they can compete with anybody in the nation (just ask Stanford). And for the first time since joining the PAC 12, Utah actually has a back up QB capable of leading the team to wins. Kendall Thompson has been great so far and has seen over 3 quarters worth of action in the first two games.

-BYU gets the edge @ running back because Jamal is a stud. However, Devonte Booker gives Utah a homerun threat at RB as well. When you look at the WR's, Utah added 2 more homerun threats by getting Kenneth Scott back and the addition of Clay. I know BYU is high on the kid Kurtz (sp?), but he has yet to get out and show it yet. Dres Anderson is the best WR in the state and it's not even close. Tongs is also the best TE.

-Defensively, I like BYU's LB's as of now but when Gioni Paul returns from injury. Nate Orchard is the best DL between the 2 teams and overall I'm taking Utah's DL and DB's over BYU's.

-As far as specialists go, Utah has the best punter/kicker combo possibly in the entire nation and with Clay is the easily the best returner from the 2 teams.
 
jazzman12 said:
I liked your post because I agree with most of it, but I don't think it's a toss up over who has a better team this year. It's Utah. Before you just dismiss me as a homer, let me try to make a compelling argument free of smack talk:

-While Taysom is more dynamic than Travis Wilson, Utah has shown that when Wilson is healthy, they can compete with anybody in the nation (just ask Stanford). And for the first time since joining the PAC 12, Utah actually has a back up QB capable of leading the team to wins. Kendall Thompson has been great so far and has seen over 3 quarters worth of action in the first two games.

-BYU gets the edge @ running back because Jamal is a stud. However, Devonte Booker gives Utah a homerun threat at RB as well. When you look at the WR's, Utah added 2 more homerun threats by getting Kenneth Scott back and the addition of Clay. I know BYU is high on the kid Kurtz (sp?), but he has yet to get out and show it yet. Dres Anderson is the best WR in the state and it's not even close. Tongs is also the best TE.

-Defensively, I like BYU's LB's as of now but when Gioni Paul returns from injury. Nate Orchard is the best DL between the 2 teams and overall I'm taking Utah's DL and DB's over BYU's.

-As far as specialists go, Utah has the best punter/kicker combo possibly in the entire nation and with Clay is the easily the best returner from the 2 teams.
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So this is where we can disagree, and it makes sense.
We both know way more about our own teams.
I'm fine with that.

I would give Utah the edge in WR's and TE, but not QB or RB. RB is not only Williams who is a stud, but Algie Brown and Adam Hine are both legit too.
While Orchard may be the best DL, I may still give the edge to BYU's line as a whole. Texas was supposed to have 2 legit studs at RB but the BYU line stuffed them hard.
You just out of habit give the DB's to Utah, but this year is one of the few I would pass the baton to BYU's crew. They are fast, physical and deep.
I don't really know enough to judge Utah's O line, but I do know BYU's so far has opened up some pretty nice holes consistently.

The bottom line is, we are edging up on Week 3.... too early really to say one way or the other definitively tbh.

P.S. as to BYU receivers its Blackmon we haven't seen yet really, Kurtz was looking to be a stud but got injured for the year.
 
UGLI baby said:
Welp, pretty much seals the deal! Congrats on the awesome season bro!!


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Not really a big deal..... Most people just have byu favored in those games. FWIW, the odds are still very low that byu goes undefeated even though they are likely to be favored in every game they play (assuming they stay mostly healthy)
 
Just read that byu has three starters that are injured from the texas game and may not play. Good thing that byu has pretty good depth at most positions this year.
 
jazzman12 said:
I hate to admit it, but I've been curious to see how the majority of BYU fans feel about their 2-and-0 start so I ventured over to cougarboard and I was taken aback by a lot of what I read. So many posters on that site claiming that BYU is still head and shoulders above Utah as the better program. Do the BYU fans on this site feel that way? When going back the last 20 years, looking at head to head wins and who's put up bigger seasons with bigger wins on a national scale, how can anybody claim that BYU is head and shoulders above Utah? I have no problem conceding that BYU's fan base has a larger, more rabid footprint due to the LDS members around the globe, and yes BYU has the only NC between the two but to put it as simple as possible: BYU has not outperformed Utah over the past 2 decades.
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There's a disconnect. You're talking "over the past 2 decades". They aren't. I think most BYU fans would completely agree with you that BYU has not outperformed Utah over the past 2 decades.

But why 2 decades? Why not 4 decades? In the 20 years just prior to the past 2 decades, BYU went 18-2 against Utah. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_War_(Utah_vs._BYU). Ouch. I think it's pretty clear that BYU has outperformed Utah over the past 4 decades.

Or why go back 4 decades? Why not just talk about this year? I think a case could certainly be made that BYU will be head and shoulders above Utah this year. sadly they don't play each other, so we won't really know.

Another thing that struck me: After 2 wins against UCONN and Texas, so many fans talking Heisman possibilities for Taysom, New Years Day bowl game, and some even thinking BYU had a shot at the playoffs. It quickly reminded me that any time BYU is good, so many of their fans immediately go to a "10" on the expectation level. On the flip side, Utah is also 2-0 and most Utah fans still seem to be of the thinking that getting to 6 wins and a bowl game is going to be a tall order.
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BYU has just played who on paper looked like their toughest opponent this season. Utah hasn't even come close to doing that. They've got a tremendously hard schedule still ahead. It's natural that BYU fans would be way more optimistic. BYU could very well go undefeated. Is it likely? I wouldn't put even money on it... but I think ESPN's forecast of a 20% chance (or something like that) seems about right. Of course, as nearly all BYU fans here have said, any talk of making the 4-team playoffs this season is ridiculous.

It only fueled my biggest critique of BYU fans which is that a majority of them are clueless honks that really think the college football world revolves around them once they manage to field a decent team.

Props to the BYU fans on this board who seem to be able to temper expectations while still rooting on their team . Yes, there are a few of you here.
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*pats self on back* :-)
 
Triangle Man said:
Cy said:
I wonder how much of BYU's success can be attributed to the fact that a lot of their players are older because of mission trips? I'm sure they get rusty at football, but I'm also sure they workout and get swole during those trips too.
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This argument only comes out when BYU is good. When they suck you don't hear much about it.

So basically, thanks for verifying you think BYU is good.
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This is exactly right. You ask any coach in the nation if he would like his players to take two years off with no football so that they could come back bigger and he'd look at you like you are crazy.
 
Dak has the most passing TD's in the country and he has only played in 1.4 games.

Dont really care about week 2 rankings of anything.
 
BYU would be bowl eligible in the Big12 this year, and that's about it. The Big12 schedule is grueling. ISU and KU suck balls and then all the other teams can beat one another at any given time.

Plus, BYU would be playing conference road games at legit venues. Those are difficult.
 
Cy said:
Dak has the most passing TD's in the country and he has only played in 1.4 games.
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Yet know one seems to be taking about him and most people don't even know who he is.

I still dont know what team he plays for
 
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