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green said:
Good post. I'll try to get back to it when I have time. I will say this, right off the bat. I only took stats from Wilson and Hill vs BCS teams from the last two years and I only used stats when Wilson could actually hold the ball. Because I don't care what his stats where when he couldn't grip the ball, because those games are completely irrelevant.

I know a lot of Wilson detractors love to point to those games to show he sucks, but that isn't the most intelligent thing to do, well, because it was a very unique situation. How often is a QB asked to play when he cannot grip the ball? Hardly ever. So, I don't care. You can care if you want to, because Wilson sucked in those games, as would any QB who could not grip the ball.

You did post Hil's overall stats, and that is great. He will have better stats, because his schedule is immensely easier. His opponents suck for the most part. He should have better stats. When you take away the crap opponents and just compare stats vs BCS teams and when Wilson can grip the ball, Wilson's stats are much better.

You mentioned SOS. That stat is crap. BYU gets a boost because they lost to ND, while Utah doesn't get that boost. Let's look at 2012 and the schedules that BYU and Utah played:........

Yet, you're telling me that BYU's schedule was almost twice as hard as Utah's that year. Seriously? Do you honestly believe that BYU's schedule was harder that year, let alone twice as hard? Utah played 9 BCS teams (10 if you count BYU) and BYU played 5. Yet, BYU had the harder schedule?

Do you not believe that Utah wins 9-10 games with BYU's harder schedule, yet was only able to win 5 games with the easier schedule?

SOS is crap in this case.
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I like how you only used games against BCS teams (Boise St. Utah St.-twice, and Houston-twice, are as good as lower tier PAC 12 teams that you are counting). And you also throw out Wilson's games where he was injured, but include Taysom's monsoon game against Virginia? You said, "how often is a QB asked to play when he cannot grip the ball? Hardly ever. So, I don't care." I can guarantee Hill couldn't grip the ball against Virginia in that weather, so his 13-40 should be discounted as well, according to that logic. Instead of cherry picking games, how about we take a look at the whole body of work? Just remember Utah had some pretty darn good teams when they weren't a P5 team, so don't just discount all non-P5 teams as not being quality opponents.

First off - Wilson has played a tougher schedule and that is not debatable. However, to discount Taysom's accomplishments and stats and say, "he will have better stats, because his schedule is immensely easier. His opponents suck for the most part." That is absolutely inaccurate. 10 of his 15 starts prior to 2014 have come against bowl teams. 2 of 3 so far this year will go to bowl games. Has Wilson's schedule been tougher? Absolutely. Has is been "immensely easier?" Absolutely not!

Taysom has started against: Wisconsin, Notre Dame, Texas (twice), Utah State (twice), Utah, Houston (twice), Boise St., and Washington. That is 11 of 18 starts against very solid teams. Add in BCS teams Virginia and Georgia Tech, and that is 13 of 18 games against BCS caliber opponents. Middle Tennessee went a to bowl game. That is 14 of 18 games against BCS and/or bowl teams. His only cupcake games were Idaho State - only played a half, (Wilson has them too), Hawaii (Wilson has Weber st.), Uconn (Wilson has Fresno St.), and Nevada. Again, Wilson has overall played a tougher schedule, but Taysom has played a very solid schedule as well. His huge statistical advantage isn't related to schedule differential because it is not that big of an advantage. The difference is that Taysom really is that much better and, again, it's not even close.
 
Hill was so last week. Big games for Hill and Wilson to prove us right/wrong this weekend. Virginia looks a lot better this year, but Anae won't let Hill throw the ball nearly as much (yeah, Hill is a great QB who you don't want throwing the ball). It will be a fun game to watch.
 
So far this year hill has over 1000 yards and 10 touchdowns. On pace for over 4000 yards (again, like last year) and 40 touchdowns.
Quite impressive
 
Someone asked me an interesting question today. Where would Utah/BYU rank in order of toughest game on each team's schedule? Not most interesting, as BYU/Utah would be high on the list. But, best opponent. Most likely to lose the game. Here is my list:

BYU:

Utah (I'd be willing to drop them below Virginia depending on how they play this weekend)
Virginia
Nevada
UCF
Boise St
Houston
@Cal
@Texas - I put them there because Strong suspended/kicked off half of Texas's team. 3 new OL and a new QB? Not as tough a game as you'd think.
Utah State
@Conneticut
Middle Tennessee
UNLV
Savannah State

Utah:

Oregon
@Stanford
@UCLA
USC
@ASU
@Michigan
Arizona
@Oregon State University
BYU
Colorado
Washington State
Fresno State
Idaho State

Kind of eye opening. No wonder BYU coaches, AD, fans want this game so badly.
 
green said:
Someone asked me an interesting question today. Where would Utah/BYU rank in order of toughest game on each team's schedule? Not most interesting, as BYU/Utah would be high on the list. But, best opponent. Most likely to lose the game. Here is my list:

BYU:

Utah (I'd be willing to drop them below Virginia depending on how they play this weekend)
Virginia
Nevada
UCF
Boise St
Houston
@Cal
@Texas - I put them there because Strong suspended/kicked off half of Texas's team. 3 new OL and a new QB? Not as tough a game as you'd think.
Utah State
@Conneticut
Middle Tennessee
UNLV
Savannah State

Utah:

Oregon
@Stanford
@UCLA
USC
@ASU
@Michigan
Arizona
@Oregon State University
BYU
Colorado
Washington State
Fresno State
Idaho State

Kind of eye opening. No wonder BYU coaches, AD, fans want this game so badly.
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From what I have seen this year, I would rank byu ahead of michigan, oregon state, and Arizona.

Byu also handled Texas alot easier than ucla so maybe byu should be listed above ucla as well.

Utah definitely has the tougher schedule though and I don't think anyone would argue that.
 
fishonjazz said:
From what I have seen this year, I would rank byu ahead of michigan, oregon state, and Arizona.

Byu also handled Texas alot easier than ucla so maybe byu should be listed above ucla as well.

Utah definitely has the tougher schedule though and I don't think anyone would argue that.
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USC just got their *** handed to them by Boston College. Yes, they beat Stanford, but Stanford will prove to be better than USC. I'd put BYU below Stanford and Oregon, probably about even with USC and ASU - better than everyone else on Utah's schedule.

On BYU's schedule, I'd put a team that can't even get into bowl games (hell, doesn't everybody go to bowl games these days?) behind Boise, Virginia, Texas, Cal and Nevada - then comes a group of UCF, Utah and Houston in no particular order.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
USC just got their *** handed to them by Boston College. Yes, they beat Stanford, but Stanford will prove to be better than USC. I'd put BYU below Stanford and Oregon, probably about even with USC and ASU - better than everyone else on Utah's schedule.

On BYU's schedule, I'd put a team that can't even get into bowl games (hell, doesn't everybody go to bowl games these days?) behind Boise, Virginia, Texas, Cal and Nevada - then comes a group of UCF, Utah and Houston in no particular order.
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seattlejazzfan said:
USC just got their *** handed to them by Boston College. Yes, they beat Stanford, but Stanford will prove to be better than USC. I'd put BYU below Stanford and Oregon, probably about even with USC and ASU - better than everyone else on Utah's schedule.

On BYU's schedule, I'd put a team that can't even get into bowl games (hell, doesn't everybody go to bowl games these days?) behind Boise, Virginia, Texas, Cal and Nevada - then comes a group of UCF, Utah and Houston in no particular order.
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So, you are saying BYU is a top 10 team? That if you put them in the PAC-12 or SEC, they would go undefeated, or at worst, lose one game?

Wow. What cha smoking?
 
Some quotes from an espn article today:

"However, after beating up on FCS teams, BYU and Mountain West teams the last three years in nonconference play, this is Utah's biggest non-league test since joining the Pac-12."

"Both coaches concede the obvious -- that the weekly grind in the Power 5 is significantly harder. In the Mountain West, Utah's season usually came down to one big game against TCU. This year they face a four-game stretch of USC, at ASU, Oregon and at Stanford -- four teams currently ranked in the AP top 20."

https://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/77001/whittingham-hoke-reunite-in-ann-arbor
 
green said:
Some quotes from an espn article today:

"However, after beating up on FCS teams, BYU and Mountain West teams the last three years in nonconference play, this is Utah's biggest non-league test since joining the Pac-12."

"Both coaches concede the obvious -- that the weekly grind in the Power 5 is significantly harder. In the Mountain West, Utah's season usually came down to one big game against TCU. This year they face a four-game stretch of USC, at ASU, Oregon and at Stanford -- four teams currently ranked in the AP top 20."

https://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/77001/whittingham-hoke-reunite-in-ann-arbor
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Yep. The utes schedule is tough. Just like like everyone has been saying since day one
 
Much tougher now that we can't beat up on BYU anymore and we have more than one tough game (TCU) every year. :)
 
UGLI baby said:
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95% of your posts tbh.

I remember way back in the day when you were actually sort of funny.

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Triangle Man said:
95% of your posts tbh.

I remember way back in the day when you were actually sort of funny.

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Are you jazzspazz?

If so, double LOL.
 
green said:
Some quotes from an espn article today:

"However, after beating up on FCS teams, BYU and Mountain West teams the last three years in nonconference play, this is Utah's biggest non-league test since joining the Pac-12."

"Both coaches concede the obvious -- that the weekly grind in the Power 5 is significantly harder. In the Mountain West, Utah's season usually came down to one big game against TCU. This year they face a four-game stretch of USC, at ASU, Oregon and at Stanford -- four teams currently ranked in the AP top 20."

https://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/77001/whittingham-hoke-reunite-in-ann-arbor
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Kinda fun to have national media talking about you isn't it?

Edit: nvm, saw it was a conference blog.
 
Here's some more BYU hype:

https://www.foxsports.com/college-f...oklahoma-west-virginia-audible-podcast-091614

Starts at the 12 minute mark.

Summary:

Feldman thinks BYU would beat at least half the teams in front of them right now including 3 out of the 4 Pac 12 schools(Oregon being the exception of course). I think that's more the general sentiment for anybody that doesn't drive around with a Pac 12 sticker on their car or walk around with a Pac 12 tat.
 
green said:
So, you are saying BYU is a top 10 team? That if you put them in the PAC-12 or SEC, they would go undefeated, or at worst, lose one game?

Wow. What cha smoking?
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Why does putting them with USC make them top 10? USC isn't a top ten team. What are you smoking?
 
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