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I would have to guess they will look at expansion. I am curious about candidates for expansion. I'm would imagine BYU would be one of those candidates if they don't act like a prima donna.
 
Thriller, serious question:

If the Big 12 expands without BYU, what would you like to see BYU do? My guess is playing in the MWC or AAC has got to be better than staying Indy.
 
jazzman12 said:
Thriller, serious question:

If the Big 12 expands without BYU, what would you like to see BYU do? My guess is playing in the MWC or AAC has got to be better than staying Indy.
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Obviously I am not Thriller, but I found the question interesting. If they don't get an invite then it will be a MAJOR blow to their programs. I think there is a belief out there that Cincinnati will get an invite if the BIG 12 does expand. So there's one spot off the table if that's true. So I guess the speculation on that last spot is going to run rampant. Was BYU too big of prima donna last time around to warrant a second consideration? Stay tuned.

FWIW, it wouldn't surprise me if they invited Cincinnati and CSU.
 
jazzman12 said:
Thriller, serious question:

If the Big 12 expands without BYU, what would you like to see BYU do? My guess is playing in the MWC or AAC has got to be better than staying Indy.
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MWC all the way.

I wish we would've joined the MWC yesterday. The changes to the post season have changed my feelings towards the MWC. In 5 years BYU will have "busted" into a big bowl game at least once. Heck, BYU will make a "big bowl game" probably before Utah does. Of course, the difference is the regular season, where Utah weekly plays big time opponents that teams in the MWC can only dream of playing in a big bowl game.

IMO, the entire state should want to see BYU get into the Big 12. The benefits to entertainment, restaurants, local businesses, local football programs, and the rivalry would be incredible. How many other states could see both Texas and USC in the same weekend? As a college football fan, how sweet would it be to see USC in the afternoon in Rice then Texas in Provo?

As for the rivalry, how much better would your season be playing a Big XII opponent rather than Fresno or Idaho? Cmon, be honest Utah fans, deep down inside don't you hope the Big XII expands?
 
trigg3r said:
Obviously I am not Thriller, but I found the question interesting. If they don't get an invite then it will be a MAJOR blow to their programs. I think there is a belief out there that Cincinnati will get an invite if the BIG 12 does expand. So there's one spot off the table if that's true. So I guess the speculation on that last spot is going to run rampant. Was BYU too big of prima donna last time around to warrant a second consideration? Stay tuned.

FWIW, it wouldn't surprise me if they invited Cincinnati and CSU.
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I've also heard that they may look into poaching one of the 14 Big 10 teams or even UCF. For recruiting purposes, would you rather expand your conference footprint into Florida, or Utah? I think BYU is in a very precarious position. They do have a national fan base and better resources than most other schools but they also come with their fair share of headaches.

The Big 12 is literally their last chance for P5 inclusion any time in the near future. Being passed up would be an epic blow.
 
jazzman, what do you THINK will happen? Think BYU would keep their TV station (that no one watches except when there's football on)? Think BYU would give it up to join the Big 12? Would it only be for Football or for all sports? If the Big 12 expands and doesn't include BYU, who would they actually invite?

Lastly... You folks play CSU. What's your take on that? You know how MWC teams get fired up to knock out a big conference team. Initially my take was Utah got screwed. But in all actuality, CSU is pretty good. Should be entertaining even though CSU doesn't exactly have a big name.
 
jazzman12 said:
I've also heard that they may look into poaching one of the 14 Big 10 teams or even UCF. For recruiting purposes, would you rather expand your conference footprint into Florida, or Utah? I think BYU is in a very precarious position. They do have a national fan base and better resources than most other schools but they also come with their fair share of headaches.

The Big 12 is literally their last chance for P5 inclusion any time in the near future. Being passed up would be an epic blow.
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Agreed. If BYU doesn't get an invite to the BIG 12, I don't see their inclusion into a P5 Conference in the near future at all. This is their chance and they need to be ready to give the BIG 12 every concession they realistically can.
 
jazzman12 said:
I've also heard that they may look into poaching one of the 14 Big 10 teams or even UCF. For recruiting purposes, would you rather expand your conference footprint into Florida, or Utah? I think BYU is in a very precarious position. They do have a national fan base and better resources than most other schools but they also come with their fair share of headaches.

The Big 12 is literally their last chance for P5 inclusion any time in the near future. Being passed up would be an epic blow.
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Exactly.

IMO, BYU needs to stop fretting over their crappy TV station. The goal needs to be Big 12 or MWC. Even the other sports would benefit from rejoining the MWC. IMO, if this happens, it will be a huge blow to BYU... A potential death knell to competing in sports.

From what I've heard there's a rift in between the powers that be at BYU and the athletic department. For as much **** as Bronco gets for being a robot, he's been pretty clear in his opinion of getting into a conference. From what I've heard, Holmoe and Rose feel the same way (but at much more subtle about it). It wouldn't surprise me honestly to see Bronco leave for Oregon St. In part, due to BYU's current Independent status.

I think BYU really needs to decide what the hell they want. The eggheads on top have "all the answers" and don't realize that no one gives a damn about some crappy station. "Spreading the word" will be far more effective if they join a conference. BYU TV is a disaster.
 
Was bummed about the Vegas Bowl for like 12 seconds, then I realized it's the same day that Utes basketball plays UNLV at the MGM Grand.

#Yeeeessssssss

Gonna get to SLC the day before. Getting my tickets now and gonna drive down for both games!!

GO UTES!!!!!
 
The Thriller said:
As for the rivalry, how much better would your season be playing a Big XII opponent rather than Fresno or Idaho? Cmon, be honest Utah fans, deep down inside don't you hope the Big XII expands?
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I'm going to try not to sound arrogant, but I realize it may still come across that way. However, I'm just being honest when I tell you that it really doesn't make a difference to me whether BYU gets in or not. Whether Utah becomes competitive annually in the PAC, or becomes Wazzu, they're never going to hurt for quality scheduling, big games, and decent out of conference opponents. Yes, BYU going to the Big 12 does solve some issues with playing the rivalry game each year and probably does take it to a new level, but I quite enjoyed this season playing @ Michigan and I'm rather excited for their trip to SLC next year. In short, not playing BYU this year did not make me enjoy the season any less. In fact, skipping all the rhetoric and subsequent excuse making probably allowed me to enjoy the season a little bit more.

I'm not anti BYU to the Big 12, but I just don't care if they get in or not.
 
jazzman12 said:
I'm going to try not to sound arrogant, but I realize it may still come across that way. However, I'm just being honest when I tell you that it really doesn't make a difference to me whether BYU gets in or not. Whether Utah becomes competitive annually in the PAC, or becomes Wazzu, they're never going to hurt for quality scheduling, big games, and decent out of conference opponents. Yes, BYU going to the Big 12 does solve some issues with playing the rivalry game each year and probably does take it to a new level, but I quite enjoyed this season playing @ Michigan and I'm rather excited for their trip to SLC next year. In short, not playing BYU this year did not make me enjoy the season any less. In fact, skipping all the rhetoric and subsequent excuse making probably allowed me to enjoy the season a little bit more.

I'm not anti BYU to the Big 12, but I just don't care if they get in or not.
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Agreed. I thoroughly enjoyed this season and going into The Big House and beating what was a bad Michigan team. I hope for a similar result when they come to RES next season.
 
The Thriller said:
jazzman, what do you THINK will happen? Think BYU would keep their TV station (that no one watches except when there's football on)? Think BYU would give it up to join the Big 12? Would it only be for Football or for all sports? If the Big 12 expands and doesn't include BYU, who would they actually invite?

Lastly... You folks play CSU. What's your take on that? You know how MWC teams get fired up to knock out a big conference team. Initially my take was Utah got screwed. But in all actuality, CSU is pretty good. Should be entertaining even though CSU doesn't exactly have a big name.
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CSU is good and could beat Utah. I hate the match-up because it's a lose-lose for Utah. If they beat CSU, nobody cares. If CSU wins, it's considered a big upset and Utah has egg on their face. Would much rather be in the Cactus Bowl vs OK State.

As far as what I think will happen with BYU: I'm split 50/50 on whether or not the Big 12 invites them. I'm sure BYU will drop their tv demands, which helps out big time, but they still pose logistical problems as far as Sunday play goes. I think Cincinnati is an easy choice because they're a decent program and they already have West Virginia in that region. I do think a school like UCF could derail BYU's hopes. Having a Florida school in the conference is probably more attractive tv wise as well as with recruiting.

If BYU does get in, I'm almost positive it will be as a full member. All of their other sports programs are in good shape and I couldn't see the Big 12 wanting a football only member.
 
jazzman12 said:
Thriller, serious question:

If the Big 12 expands without BYU, what would you like to see BYU do? My guess is playing in the MWC or AAC has got to be better than staying Indy.
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Cancel sports like they did at BYU Hawaii. If BYU insists on playing by their own rules, let them play ward football. If conferences want to schedule games on Sundays, whether that be football or basketball and BYU doesn't want to go along, then they should take their balls and go home. Let them become an academic-only institution. They always preach "they're in the world but not of the world." Can't have it exactly as you want it.

BYU was arrogant when they turned independent. They wanted the MWC conference to revolve around them and not have to share bowl or TV revenue. BYU got EXACTLY what they deserved. Karma's a bitch and they got bitch-slapped hard.
 
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My fear is that the Big 12 will just look to grab to carcasses to expand and will pick 2 easy schools, Cinn and UCF. BYU might have too much baggage. If I'm the Big 12 President, this might be the best option. Of course, BYU would be a huge money maker. But I'm not sure if the baggage is worth it.
 
LazyD said:
So they play again and both look like ****. You act as if the winner automatically goes to the playoff. I disagree with that notion.
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I think a tcu baylor winner in a conference championship gets in.... automatically.

Just my opinion
 
UGLI baby said:
Playing in and winning a conference championship game helps reveal how good a team is, something that Big 12 teams weren't able to do.

Let's say you are judging a "hottest girl alive" contest. There are 6 girls remaining and you have to choose 4 to go into the final round.

4 of the girls waltz in front of the judges in bikinis and they look flawless (play in conference championship game and win). The other two girls stay fully clothed.

"But this is a hottest girl alive contest, not a bikini contest! Just choose the hottest girls! Not the ones who wore bikinis cuz it don't matter!" -LazyD

Seeing the 4 girls in their bikini, in a way you didn't get to see the other 2 girls, revealed just how hot the 4 girls were.

The conference championship is the biggest showcase of the season, the grand finale.

The Big 12 was like, "nah, we'll just skip that. LOL."

That might have worked to their benefit under the BCS where teams were largely just trying to NOT lose games, but as has just been proven, a committee of humans isn't gonna play dat weak ish.
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Lol great post
 
trigg3r said:
This is the best chance yet BYU is going to have to get into a P5 conference. A little advice, don't act like a prima donna. Make BYU football relevant again by making the concessions you can make to make it easier for an invite to the BIG 12. That or continue down the road of mediocrity.
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For sure

Byu needs to bow down, beg and plead and do anything and everything to get into the big 12 if given any chance at all
 
LazyD said:
Okay, so all I'm getting is that the majority of folks feel like picking the four best teams is a secondary goal for the committee? That would be disappointing if true.
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I'm saying the committee is made up of humans...... humans with agendas..... biases....... favoritisms....... criteria differing from what you or I think they should have.

Seems like conference championships matter to them from what I have heard from almost every sports media talking head, most every fan, most everyone.

I think it's true
 
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