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Sexual Favors said:
To me, that mindset is a problem. Our organization is too caught up on who likes to play here, and a sense of owing them for it. Rudy and Enes like it too. As a kid, Enes used to wake up in the middle of the night to watch Jazz games so he could watch Memo. Rudy bought a place here his rookie season and spends the majority of his free time during the offseason with the team.

Does Favors really like it, or is it just a comfort thing? Being traded rocked his world... To me, his love for Utah is just a telling sign of his lingering fragility a ddislike of stepping outside his comfort zone. He has a good thing here and should like it. But the reasons why he likes it aren't purely altruistic. The NBA is a business. The Jazz have owed him... A paycheck and time on the floor to develop, both of which he got. GM's aren't father figures, and they shouldn't be. Their sole concern should be building a championship team, and that's done by buying low, selling high, envisioning fit, and avoiding redundancies. Favors and Gobert are a redundancy. The money needed to keep both of them long term would be better served at another position of need.


We could probably get Dragic, TH Warren, Green, and a draft pick fora package of Favors and Trey. Phoenix knows they need rim protection if they're ever going to crack the playoffs.
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I've read reports that out of their three PG's, the Suns value Dragic the highest. Would you advocate trading Favors for Thomas or Bledsoe?

Were Malone and Eaton (or Ostertag) redundant? Not saying Favors or even your boy Kanter are on the level of Malone (clearly that will NEVER be the case), but Favors is not redundant. He's a PF who can also play some 5. Kanter is a hybrid 4/5.

Why does anyone need to be traded? Jazz need a 3-man rotation. Just look at the Memphis game: all three got 30 mins or more and the Grizzlies couldn't match the Jazz' toughness inside. Thirty-two rebounds combined for our 3 bigs (49 for the team) vs. 34 for the entire Grizzlies. Sure Gasol - who is one of the best centers in the league - still got 24/12. But he needed 22 shots to do it and was clearly bothered by our 3-headed monster. Favors has developed a pretty good midrange game and there's no reason to believe he won't keep improving every year. Kanter is developing range out to the 3.

I know the fad is to have a "stretch-4." But why? Why can't we just punish teams inside and have three shooters on the perimeter? With Burks and Hayward >37%, all we need is a PG who can shoot 3's. I hate to place blame on one person, but the real difference on offense between the Jazz and opponents is 3PT% (Utah at 33% and opponents at 38%). And the player who has taken the most 3's is also the one who is the worst at it (<31%).
 
green said:
get Wes Matthews at any cost.
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Any cost?

Wes is a really nice player but he shouldn't get durant, lebron type money. There would have to be a limit to what you would pay him
 
mellow said:
Not only that, Favors has said he likes it here. The Jazz should keep reasonably priced, productive, improving and happy players. Trade the over priced, counterproductive, stagnated, and/or sulky ones.
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This.
 
Everyone is tradeable...that said, I'd ask for the moon for Favors. I think you could get it too. Would a team trade you Towns for Favors? Would Jazzfanz be for or against this?

I think we can keep all three in the short term... long term it will likely be a bit cost prohibitive. I just feel like individually they are all pretty good, but I don't think they compliment each other well. I think Towns, Porzingis, and Myles Turner would fit well with either Favors or Gobert.
 
spycam1 said:
You never know. I believe we're 6th in the lottery standing right now. And we've got the assets to make a trade.
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Umm, no, we don't.
No one is going to trade a top-2 pick, just as Parker and Wiggins were untouchable last year. WE don't even have an ALL-STAR on the team. PERHAPS if I were Hinkie, with plenty of cap space and Noel and Embiid already drafted, I MIGHT consider giving Utah the #1 pick for the #6 and Hayward. Tough decision, though. I'm giving up a potential franchise player, who I can have on a rookie salary for 4 years and then match any offer, for a fringe all-star who is going to opt out in 3 years and become an UFA, and a possible starter, but probably not all-star at #6.

You know what...I just thought this through and I'm going to have to turn you down, Dennis. We're not going to contend for a number of years and by then Gordon (or Favors) will be an UFA. I'd much rather have a potential franchise player for 8 years to build around.
 
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fishonjazz said:
Any cost?

Wes is a really nice player but he shouldn't get durant, lebron type money. There would have to be a limit to what you would pay him
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With the cap going up, I'd max him. When the cap goes up, 14 million per will be really, really nice role player money, which he is. I'd max Wes before Kanter. 47% FG, 38% 3pt, defensive player.
 
green said:
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With the cap going up, I'd max him. When the cap goes up, 14 million per will be really, really nice role player money, which he is. I'd max Wes before Kanter. 47% FG, 38% 3pt, defensive player.
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Max for Wes is higher than 14 M I believe... That is also too much for him.
 
Stifle Tower said:
Umm, no, we don't.
No one is going to trade a top-2 pick, just as Parker and Wiggins were untouchable last year. WE don't even have an ALL-STAR on the team. PERHAPS if I were Hinkie, with plenty of cap space and Noel and Embiid already drafted, I MIGHT consider giving Utah the #1 pick for the #6 and Hayward. Tough decision, though. I'm giving up a potential franchise player, who I can have on a rookie salary for 4 years and then match any offer, for a fringe all-star who is going to opt out in 3 years and become an UFA, and a possible starter, but probably not all-star at #6.

You know what...I just thought this through and I'm going to have to turn you down, Dennis. We're not going to contend for a number of years and by then Gordon (or Favors) will be an UFA. I'd much rather have a potential franchise player for 8 years to build around.
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It depends on what team get the pick. I think the Lakers, Knicks, and maybe the Wolves would trade a top 3 pick for Favs. The Lakers and Knicks are perpetually in win now mode and both think they will have cap space to sign someone good. Minnesota has a GM/Coach which can lead them to make short term moves. Last year's draft is a bad comparison... I don't think any of the top 3 guys are seen as Wiggins, Parker, or Embiid (healthy) like prospects
 
green said:
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With the cap going up, I'd max him. When the cap goes up, 14 million per will be really, really nice role player money, which he is. I'd max Wes before Kanter. 47% FG, 38% 3pt, defensive player.
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It's a choice between the two, then. I think you'd have to renounce the rights to Enes and Booker in order to free up cap room for Wes. I guess if the Jazz were to draft Porzingis or another PF/C they could go that route. And they could then re-sign Booker or another big for the MLE.

As much as I would love to have Wes, I just think the Gobert/Kanter/Favors rotation has too much value. Any one of those players could likely fetch a good haul of players/picks in a couple of years. I also believe Hood is going to be a very good 3PT shooter. I like the Hayward, Burks, Hood rotation. And one of those groups will be strengthened by a draft pick. Once the draft pick is ready to play 30 mins. then possibly trade a player. What we need most, IMO, is a PG who can shoot and defend better than Trey.
 
Since someone asked why a stretch 4 has so much value:
The magic is he manipulates the geometry of the floor.
Simply spoken, if another big is outside at the 3 point line guarding your stretch guy, it means more space inside for everyone else. And by this he has the biggest effect on the TEAM's offense of every possible toolbox available in the game of basketball, as it helps get your perimeter guys going, creates wider lanes for everyone.
Also it allowes way more creative setplays and distration/deception as you have a harder time switching on that guy.

Talking specifics, there are 2 main areas on the floor where you want your stretch big to be when your team selects an opening inside.
a) In the weak side corner. Having him there gives your guard a low accuracy skip pass option. Really easy pass and every rotation by the big towards the basket will be punished by the 2nd most dangerous shot in the game.
b) Involved in a screen and roll of any kind(Ball handler, screener, just setting a secondary screen) which pressures the defense to have marvelous communication and basketball IQ and every time is a huge stress test.
 
Porzingis is one of the most interesting looking stretch-big prospects in a while. I like Favors, but would also agree he's probably our best trade asset. I'm not advocating that we trade him, but if we did, I bet we could get the 4th or 5th pick in this year's draft. Worth it? Maybe.

I like our current 3-big rotation, but I also think that to get to the next level the Jazz need a definitive #1 scoring option in the frontcourt. Kanter or Gobert may or may not become that, but I think it's fairly safe to predict that Favors won't become that offensively skilled. The Jazz should play out the year and keep an open mind.

If the Jazz came out of this draft with both Porzingis and Hezonja, even if it cost us Favors, we'd have 5 young All Star-caliber prospects all developing together. This is what separates good teams from real contenders.
 
I am watching Arizona vs UNLV... again and again I can't help but think that Johnson is extremely limited offensively. He can't create ANYTHING in O, no shake, no crossover, no horizontal explosiveness... all his assists and points are off of transition or spot up opportunities.

Also, the announcers pointed out that there are questions about his practice habits and attitude. His coach said that "the key to Johnson is to put him in competitive situations and 5-on-5 situations, where he'd give u 100%".
 
I don't think Johnson is what we need, at least not with our lottery pick this year. Again, there are journeymen players like Demarre Carroll and James Johnson who can do a lot of what Johnson does. For now, we also have Hayward and Hood playing that position.

I think Winslow has more potential, fwiw.
 
Catchall said:
I don't think Johnson is what we need, at least not with our lottery pick this year. Again, there are journeymen players like Demarre Carroll and James Johnson who can do a lot of what Johnson does. For now, we also have Hayward and Hood playing that position.

I think Winslow has more potential, fwiw.
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I agree about Winslow. if he gets a consistent 3 pt shot he will be an allstar in the league.

I still want hezonja out of the 3 but I am now watching prospects in the 9-13 range.
 
Now that we're back on our winning way... I think it's time to start thinking about this year's Kawhi or Adetokoumpo.


Any ideas????
 
Johnson just blew the game for Arizona. Stole the ball losing by 1 with 40 to go and missed the easy layup in transition and then turned the ball over with 5 seconds to go, losing by 2.
Finished the game with 13pts(3/11 shooting, 6/11 FT), 13 rebounds, 3 assists, 4 steals, 7 TOs.

Again - played great defense and rebounded great, but made some key mistakes and was pretty mediocre offensively.

Vermin said:
Chris Wood just had his coming out party.
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Looked pretty good, indeed.
 
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