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trigg3r said:
To me it is all about BPA. If he is the best player available at 6 then you have to take him. I for one am scared off by the Euros. The question marks with Kanter are a little alarming. The real question is why not use the pick now(in this weak draft) and then we don't have to use one on a PG next year in the deeper draft. I don't see Harris as a good fit with us. JMO. Oh and this is all null if we get the 1st or 2nd pick because we know it will be either Irving or DWill with those picks.
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I agree BPA is the best way to go. But when it comes to a position like PG - a position where you can get good value later in the draft - it pains me to use a top 10 pick on one. That's not to say that you never use a top 10 pick on a PG. If the Jazz got the 1st pick we'd be having a different conversation - one where we'd probably be agreeing on who to take. But if it's not Irving then I say gamble the pick on a more valuable BIG.

I also agree that the Euros are scary. There's a stigma. But the BPA at 6 and/or 12 may very well be European (non-American). I realize it's a gamble but most the stateside kids leave me a little limp. And the playoffs MVP right now is a Euro, so let's keep our xenophobia in check - for Jazz' sake.

Finally, I agree Harris probably doesn't fit with the Jazz. But he's only had half a season in the Jazz system - AND the system may be different next year under the new coach. There are a lot of question marks so I think Harris will get this next year to see if he will fit into the new or same Jazz system and if he doesn't fit then there's next year's deeper draft to grab a PG. This is why I don't want to waist this year's picks on PGs even if they are BPA (again, Irving's another conversation).

We agree on a lot - I'm just voicing my misgivings on where we differ.
 
Ben10 said:
I can agree with you here. This draft really sucks. The fact that Jimmer well prob be gone by the time we have our second pick blows my mind. This is the same player that couldn't even get a guarentee to picked any place first round pick last year. I know he lead the nation in scoring and all this year but after working out not being able to be even a first round talent last year shows that this is a week draft
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For some reason, I think this draft may surprise a lot of people in a few years of being pretty solid.
 
BENTLEY said:
I agree BPA is the best way to go. But when it comes to a position like PG - a position where you can get good value later in the draft - it pains me to use a top 10 pick on one. That's not to say that you never use a top 10 pick on a PG. If the Jazz got the 1st pick we'd be having a different conversation - one where we'd probably be agreeing on who to take. But if it's not Irving then I say gamble the pick on a more valuable BIG.

I also agree that the Euros are scary. There's a stigma. But the BPA at 6 and/or 12 may very well be European (non-American). I realize it's a gamble but most the stateside kids leave me a little limp. And the playoffs MVP right now is a Euro, so let's keep our xenophobia in check - for Jazz' sake.

Finally, I agree Harris probably doesn't fit with the Jazz. But he's only had half a season in the Jazz system - AND the system may be different next year under the new coach. There are a lot of question marks so I think Harris will get this next year to see if he will fit into the new or same Jazz system and if he doesn't fit then there's next year's deeper draft to grab a PG. This is why I don't want to waist this year's picks on PGs even if they are BPA (again, Irving's another conversation).

We agree on a lot - I'm just voicing my misgivings on where we differ.
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You Son of a Bitch.... Just kidding, you make valid points. Good post.
 
Swinging for the fences on lottery picks is the best way to destroy a franchise. You do know knight is 18 right? You dont think he has upside?
 
BOX said:
Swinging for the fences on lottery picks is the best way to destroy a franchise. You do know knight is 18 right? You dont think he has upside?
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I respect his POV. I still agree with you that Knight is the guy though. Especially at 6 if he is still around.
 
BOX said:
Sorry was not directed at you.
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I know. Just agreeing with your post that this kid is still 18 and has a lot of upside. It also doesn't escape my attention that Calipari has a recent history of good one and point guards. Where does Knight rank on your draft board?
 
Knight/Biyombo/Leonard: if Jazz got two of the three, I'd be thrilled. Good potential for length, defense, versatility, toughness -- things the Jazz need. But all are so young and have so many holes in their game. They'd need at least three years to become more than spot contributors. But I really like that they all seem to have a good combination of having their heads on straight and having decent upsides.

Imagine if you could get all three (though I'm sure the last thing Corbin wants is to have to worry about developing three teenagers at once). I'm naive enough (draft talk always gets me this way) to think that a Knight/Hayward/Leonard/Favors/Biyombo lineup could be pretty nasty in six years.
 
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ok, then if Bismack and Kanters are both gone shouldn't we take Knight then?

I'd much rather go with Knight than one of the Euros.
 
dalamon said:
Sorry, what I meant is select Singleton with our twelfth pick; although I would be inclined to streak through my neighbourhood butt-naked from sheer joy if your scenario played out, theres a very low chance of it hapenning. Personally I feel like Singleton merits a 12th pick, and could seriously help with our defensive woes. It would seriously irk me if a team like the celtics, or spurs got him.
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Agreed. Plus, his stats are even more impressive when you take into consideration that FSU isn't exactly UNC or Duke, loaded with studs for whom opponents must gameplan and account. The guy is thee lockdown defender in this draft, is athletic and long, can defend three positions and has solid offensive stats. Quite frankly, we already have enough guys who can score. Jefferson, Millsap, Hayward, Harris, Miles, hell Okur's coming back and Favors needs touches to develop an offensive game. Sure, I'd love a wing who can penetrate and take it to the hoop night in and night out AND shoot AND defend but I don't see anyone like that at anyway so go with Singleton who we know can defend, has solid percentages which maybe be able to translate to the NBA three, and is the type of guy we should be going after. Hayward at the 2, Singleton at the 3 and Favors at the 4 or 5 are three very good defenders who know what they're doing.
 
BOX said:
Swinging for the fences on lottery picks is the best way to destroy a franchise. You do know knight is 18 right? You dont think he has upside?
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Most years I agree with you. But not this year. The likely BPAs at 6 and 12 this year are guys you'd find in the teens and 20s in a decent year. So yeah, this crappy year I say swing for the fences (you're not out much). I think Knight will be a good player - Jru Holiday good. I think that's his upside, which is good but there isn't much trade value and it's about on par with Harris.
 
Revolution 9 said:
ok, then if Bismack and Kanters are both gone shouldn't we take Knight then?

I'd much rather go with Knight than one of the Euros.
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And I'd go with a Euro.
It's a gamble, the Euros aren't sexy and there's the risk that the Jazz end up with a POS. But I'd rather take the risk than settle for a "solid" PG.

As Les Claypool says: "It's just a matter of opinion."
 
BENTLEY said:
Most years I agree with you. But not this year. The likely BPAs at 6 and 12 this year are guys you'd find in the teens and 20s in a decent year. So yeah, this crappy year I say swing for the fences (you're not out much). I think Knight will be a good player - Jru Holiday good. I think that's his upside, which is good but there isn't much trade value and it's about on par with Harris.
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I am just going to have to disagree. I think through about 8 any of the top prospects are still top 12 in any draft. I think knight is a top 7 pick in any draft.
 
My top 10 board has not changed much. I posted one earlier with both pg 1 and 2. I know most disagree on drafting a pg early, but imo irving amd knight are sure fire players that will have great careers.

1. Irving
2. Knight
3. Williams
4. Kanter
5. Vesely
6. Bismack
7. Walker
8. Leonard
9. Burkes
10. Thompson
 
BOX said:
My top 10 board has not changed much. I posted one earlier with both pg 1 and 2. I know most disagree on drafting a pg early, but imo irving amd knight are sure fire players that will have great careers.

1. Irving
2. Knight
3. Williams
4. Kanter
5. Vesely
6. Bismack
7. Walker
8. Leonard
9. Burkes
10. Thompson
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You rate Knight so high I understand your POV. I'm not quite so smitten with him. But y'know, I could be wrong. Still, it's a huge gamble he's THAT much better than Harris - like top 5 PG in the league good. It's more likely he's the kind of good the Jazz could easily grab next year - but again, we have a difference of opinion. You think he's a rare talent and I think he's not that rare.

Ok friends, what else can we rehash? Someone wanna bring up Kanter's knees again?
 
The crazy thing with Knight though is that he will be by far the youngest player in the league history drafted since the new college rule.
 
BOX said:
I think a knight/leonard knight/burkes is a very solid draft and any combo would be a great haul in ANY draft. Knight will be a solid starter, borderline allsar. Burkes and leonard will also be starters in the league. While there may not be any superstars in this draft i see 3-4 all stars and potentially 13-14 starters. Everyone is so whiney. I mean some of you are talking about bertains now with the 12th? There is far better, proven talent at 12.
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I too don't understand the hype on this board for Bertains. I think Bismack can and might be there at the 12th pick and we can hope and pray Knight is around at 6th or where ever we are picking with are first pick.

I also wouldn't mind getting Singleton with the 12th pick.
 
BENTLEY said:
You rate Knight so high I understand your POV. I'm not quite so smitten with him. But y'know, I could be wrong. Still, it's a huge gamble he's THAT much better than Harris - like top 5 PG in the league good. It's more likely he's the kind of good the Jazz could easily grab next year - but again, we have a difference of opinion. You think he's a rare talent and I think he's not that rare.

Ok friends, what else can we rehash? Someone wanna bring up Kanter's knees again?
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I could be wrong, but I see knight as a guy that could do for the Jazz as J. Terry does for Dallas, a good shooter that can run a team or play at times along side the starting point guard. Plus I don't see Harris resigning with Ut.
 
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