2011 draft.....
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Darkwing Duck
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And what wing would that be? Looking at the teams likely to be at 2 and 3, you have Cleveland, who has nothing, Washington has Nick Young, who is a definite pass, people seem to like Wesley Johnson, but he can't play the two as far as I'm aware, and I think the Jazz would want to be more athletic at that position, Kings have nothing, Toronto has nothing. Jazz should want nothing of Hamilton after his escapades.
JJ Rage
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I'm talking about drafting a wing, not getting one from another team. Trade down and still get a Harrison Barnes or Derrick Williams. They don't have GREAT players to offer for the pick swap, but on the off chance Utah lands the #1 pick, why not leverage it for something?
Also, Harrison Barnes just hit a game winner against FSU.
BetterThanESPN
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And Barnes with the clutch three to win it! Awesome game.
Gyp Rosetti
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I will too. I watched his youtube highlights last night and he reminded me of KoKo Beware. No way we should take this stiff.
Gyp Rosetti
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More than anything we need a guy who will fit in. Fit in in SLC. Fit in in the system. Fit in with our "culture" that is.
The problem is there isn't a clear-cut best wing out there. There are a lot of PFs and hybrid Fs, but really no elite pure wings. Terrence Jones or Harrison Barnes are the closest thing. But for my part, I think Derrick Williams would be fantastic. Partially because I'm of the school of thought that the team that plays smarter and harder will usually win, and Williams is a brilliant scorer with a great potential to exploit matchups. Pairing him with Favors would be awesome.
I'd take Irving with the #1 pick assuming he comes back from this toe-injury (those can be a HUGE pain in the ***), but if the Jazz can trade down and get something really nice on top of a Williams, Jones, or Barnes, then they might want to go that route. The key is Favors, here, and I think he'd gel best with Williams or Irving.
Gyp Rosetti
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Wrong. Draft Irving, and trade Harris in-season or thereafter. Irving looks to be a stud. Harris is just a solid point guard.
There's a chance Irving is the rich-man's (better shooter, better body) pre-injury Chris Paul. That's a chance I'd be willing to take.
But I'm trying not to get ahead of myself here. A lot can happen in 20+ games and three months.
memo is money
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I'm guaranteeing you that Kosta Doufos only can dream of being as good as Enes. His fundamental knowledge, bbIQ, post moves, tremendous rebounding abilitiy makes him a top3 prospect IMO. The only reason why he has fallen to 6th-7th picks in mocks is what happened between bi**h Callipari and NCAA. Enes does not need Wildcats, they need him badly.
https://www.nbadraft.net/players/enes-kanter
https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Enes-Kanter-5168/
https://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/6820/meet-enes-kanter
some stats:
https://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_KNce....season_2007.roundID_5557.playerID_61806.html
https://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_KNce....season_2009.roundID_6637.playerID_61806.html
https://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_KNce....season_2008.roundID_6072.playerID_61806.html
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akirac73
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Where is this guy Enes from? Would you know?
Jazz4ever
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My top 4 for the Jazz are currently:
1. Irving (no bust potential, amazing shot and iq, will be better than Wall)
2. Williams (amazing efficiency and finishing ability but he is a borderline tweener if he can't play SF)
3. Jones (Incredible rebounding and defending SF, has three point range and can create his own shot, IQ questionable)
4. Barnes (good kid, underwhelming first year but clutch performer as of late)
One of these guys will surely be on the board where the Jazz pick! That is enough to get me excited.
Just say no's:
Any international player, the last overseas pick of all star quality was Yao Ming in 2002. Nuff said.
Perry Jones - a 6'11 forward that averages 4.3 rebounds? Screams laziness. Pass
Jared Sullinger - has Millsap+ potential but one undersized PF is enough
1. Irving (no bust potential, amazing shot and iq, will be better than Wall)
2. Williams (amazing efficiency and finishing ability but he is a borderline tweener if he can't play SF)
3. Jones (Incredible rebounding and defending SF, has three point range and can create his own shot, IQ questionable)
4. Barnes (good kid, underwhelming first year but clutch performer as of late)
One of these guys will surely be on the board where the Jazz pick! That is enough to get me excited.
Just say no's:
Any international player, the last overseas pick of all star quality was Yao Ming in 2002. Nuff said.
Perry Jones - a 6'11 forward that averages 4.3 rebounds? Screams laziness. Pass
Jared Sullinger - has Millsap+ potential but one undersized PF is enough
Hantlers
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LOL. Trust me, this kid doesn't have a big head. Listen to some of his interviews. He's one of the most level-headed players I've heard at any level for his talent level.
And to people saying to pass on Irving because we have Harris.....wtf? Watch some videos of Irving. Seriously, he was unstoppable at college and not just on offense, he played GREAT defense. He shut down Jacob Pullen of Kansas State. This kid is a bonafide stud, and will at minimum be on the same level of Chris Paul. You don't pass on that.
Gyp Rosetti
Banned
Not to jinx us because I know there's a lot of ball left to be played and I also know the lotto balls can go against us, thus shoving us down the rung, but I just saw that we look like the Nets will have the 6th worst record in the league, AT BEST.
They have 17 wins and the next best team has 22. Add in the fact that the Raptors also have have 17 wins and are a half game behind and that there are three other teams with 15 wins (Washington, Sacramento, Minnesota), and we look in great shape right now. I've looked at the Nets schedule and realize it's pretty damn easy from here on out but still, I love where we stand at this point. Hopefully the Raptors can win both in London (they have a lot of foreigners so maybe they'll be stoked) and one or two other teams with 15 wins currently can get hot.
They have 17 wins and the next best team has 22. Add in the fact that the Raptors also have have 17 wins and are a half game behind and that there are three other teams with 15 wins (Washington, Sacramento, Minnesota), and we look in great shape right now. I've looked at the Nets schedule and realize it's pretty damn easy from here on out but still, I love where we stand at this point. Hopefully the Raptors can win both in London (they have a lot of foreigners so maybe they'll be stoked) and one or two other teams with 15 wins currently can get hot.
Gyp Rosetti
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Also, of the teams ahead of us, the Wiz wouldn't want/need Irving. Would the Kings? Wouldn't that screw up Evans and their dynamic there? Would the TWolves knowing they still have Flynn and Rubio potentially coming over? In other words, which teams ahead of us seem like they'd want Irving and wouldn't look to trade down with us if we wanted to trade up to get him?
The Cavs have said they want him so that much we know but beyond that, who else? Maybe the Raptors? And that's about it I think. No?
The Cavs have said they want him so that much we know but beyond that, who else? Maybe the Raptors? And that's about it I think. No?
Don't count Detroit out just yet. They lost to Minnesota last night and may not win another game this season. The Nets are horrible, but Williams might be enough for 6 more wins. We'll see.
If I were a GM with the #1 pick and Irving was the only solid player then there's no way I would trade down. Gambling on Harrison Barnes isn't worth the job risk at this point. I think most GM's around the league take the best player available instead of drafting position. Detroit taking Darko should be example enough of why.
As for the Jazz, they should take the most talented player and forget this Great Wing Dream. If it's a wing then great. If it's a guy like DeMarcus Cousins then take him and trade him if you must. Young bigs who can play and have tons of upside are valuable anchors. You could get a lot of wing for Cousins' breasts and thighs.
If I were a GM with the #1 pick and Irving was the only solid player then there's no way I would trade down. Gambling on Harrison Barnes isn't worth the job risk at this point. I think most GM's around the league take the best player available instead of drafting position. Detroit taking Darko should be example enough of why.
As for the Jazz, they should take the most talented player and forget this Great Wing Dream. If it's a wing then great. If it's a guy like DeMarcus Cousins then take him and trade him if you must. Young bigs who can play and have tons of upside are valuable anchors. You could get a lot of wing for Cousins' breasts and thighs.
