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Core4 said:
Jazz win all 4 from GS, but still finish with 25 wins. GS misses the playoffs by 1 game and can point to those Jazz games as what caused them to fail.
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Jazz end up with the #1 and #2 pick. Stoked admits that maybe losing was a good thing.
 
green said:
Jazz end up with the #1 and #2 pick. Stoked admits that maybe losing was a good thing.
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I am fine if the Jazz lose every game. I will not be ok with intentional failure by the coach and players. I also will not be fine with rooting for them to fail.

Very, very different things.
 
Core4 said:
Jazz win all 4 from GS, but still finish with 25 wins. GS misses the playoffs by 1 game and can point to those Jazz games as what caused them to fail.
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Guess it all hinges on the health of Curry's Ankles. I mean, if he is unhealthy, there's a real chance they struggle quite a bit. can't see their PG play being very good without him. Who's slotted as the back up anyway? Douglas? He couldn't play the position in New York.
 
heyhey said:
Holy ****. It is really simple if the Bucks have an easier schedule than us they are more likely to have a better record than if they didn't. Bottom 3 will probably still be EC but the dif between picking 4 and 7 could easily depend on schedule differences.
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I know this looks like a valid argument at face value. And I'm not just picking on heyhey here - many repeat this mantra in hopes it gives Utah more losses by comparison and a better pick.

However, lets delve a bit deeper into this theory. It stands to reason that if the EC teams have historically had MORE teams in the top-8 of the lottery - even when the WC has been considered much stronger. Aren't many arguing the reverse for next season? More wins against each other will lead to better relative records for the EC lottery teams? If this didn't happen in similar circumstances the past 2 years, then there must be more to factor in than JUST 2 games against non-playoff Eastern teams vs 2 games for the WC teams against somewhat stronger non-playoff Western teams.

Again, the EC lottery teams last season should have had much better records because they played each other 2 more times than did the WC lottery teams. However, the combined W-L records for the EC lottery teams was 191-383. By contrast, the WC lottery teams combined for a 228-346 record.

So, EC lottery teams MUST be finding OTHER ways to lose besides just playing amongst themselves.

1. Perhaps the added travel miles makes inter-conference games much tougher for EC teams than WC. For example, five games against the NW division for an EC team involves much more travel than a NW team's road trip to play the 5 Atlantic Division teams.

2. Interestingly, the non-playoff teams collectively in BOTH conferences were within a game of each other in terms of total wins and losses.

3. However, the non-playoff WC teams have a much better record in inter-conference games than do their Eastern counterparts. In 2012-13, the WC lottery teams went 97-113 against the entire Eastern Conference. By contrast, the EC lottery teams went 61-149 against the entire Western Conference.

So, any perceived advantage to the "weak" playing the "weak" in the Eastern Conference is more than offset by those teams losing significantly more games in inter-conference matchups.
 
Core4 said:
I know this looks like a valid argument at face value. And I'm not just picking on heyhey here - many repeat this mantra in hopes it gives Utah more losses by comparison and a better pick.

However, lets delve a bit deeper into this theory. It stands to reason that if the EC teams have historically had MORE teams in the top-8 of the lottery - even when the WC has been considered much stronger. Aren't many arguing the reverse for next season? More wins against each other will lead to better relative records for the EC lottery teams? If this didn't happen in similar circumstances the past 2 years, then there must be more to factor in than JUST 2 games against non-playoff Eastern teams vs 2 games for the WC teams against somewhat stronger non-playoff Western teams.

Again, the EC lottery teams last season should have had much better records because they played each other 2 more times than did the WC lottery teams. However, the combined W-L records for the EC lottery teams was 191-383. By contrast, the WC lottery teams combined for a 228-346 record.

So, EC lottery teams MUST be finding OTHER ways to lose besides just playing amongst themselves.

1. Perhaps the added travel miles makes inter-conference games much tougher for EC teams than WC. For example, five games against the NW division for an EC team involves much more travel than a NW team's road trip to play the 5 Atlantic Division teams.

2. Interestingly, the non-playoff teams collectively in BOTH conferences were within a game of each other in terms of total wins and losses.

3. However, the non-playoff WC teams have a much better record in inter-conference games than do their Eastern counterparts. In 2012-13, the WC lottery teams went 97-113 against the entire Eastern Conference. By contrast, the EC lottery teams went 61-149 against the entire Western Conference.

So, any perceived advantage to the "weak" playing the "weak" in the Eastern Conference is more than offset by those teams losing significantly more games in inter-conference matchups.
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We're just going to have to agree to maybe just barely disagree.
 
OK, I'm now working on a counter to my last post and giving the REAL reasons I think EC lottery teams MIGHT be able to improve on their wins relative to their WC lottery counterparts:

I'll post this in a few minutes (lunch first!).
I know, I know...the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.
 
Core4 said:
OK, I'm now working on a counter to my last post and giving the REAL reasons I think EC lottery teams MIGHT be able to improve on their wins relative to their WC lottery counterparts:

I'll post this in a few minutes (lunch first!).
I know, I know...the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.
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Perhaps you should try Enzyte. Don't try and get your money back if it doesn't work though.
 
Core4 said:
Actually, I'm on a great program now...already down 7 lbs in one week! But that's for GD.
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If you lost 7 lbs in that area than you need more than a program my friend. I recommend sugery and bleach.
 
Core4 said:
OK, I'm now working on a counter to my last post and giving the REAL reasons I think EC lottery teams MIGHT be able to improve on their wins relative to their WC lottery counterparts:

I'll post this in a few minutes (lunch first!).
I know, I know...the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.
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Do you think the Jazz would win more games if they were playing in the EC?
How many more?
 
heyhey said:
Do you think the Jazz would win more games if they were playing in the EC?
How many more?
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I do as the overall level of their competition would be lower. Let us say 5 wins more. So instead of my prediction of 34-48 they would be 39-43. That is much worse for their lottery pick. Say the difference of 8th and 11th.
 
Stoked said:
I do as the overall level of their competition would be lower. Let us say 5 wins more. So instead of my prediction of 34-48 they would be 39-43. That is much worse for their lottery pick. Say the difference of 8th and 11th.
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So you would agree that a team that is of equal caliber to the jazz but plays in the east, will finish with a better record?
 
heyhey said:
So you would agree that a team that is of equal caliber to the jazz but plays in the east, will finish with a better record?
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I would think so but I see what Core is saying. These teams in the EC have already gotten that record padding for the last 15 years. It is not like the bottom feeders are all suddenly going to be 5 games better this year.

Utah would get that bump because their level of cempetition got easier. It stayed the same for other EC teams.
 
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