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Argh. I never said we would be competing with the sixers for christs sake. But I think that a few of the ec teams that Jazz are just as good as may finish better than us. That's all.

Bucks,Raptors,Bobcats
I think we are better than these teams,but we may end up with a worse record than some or all.
 
Argh. I never said we would be competing with the sixers for christs sake. But I think that a few of the ec teams that Jazz are just as good as may finish better than us. That's all.

Bucks,Raptors,Bobcats
I think we are better than these teams,but we may end up with a worse record than some or all.

It is possible. It will be interesting to see. I also never said we are directly competting with the 76ers. So slow your roll.
 
It is possible. It will be interesting to see. I also never said we are directly competting with the 76ers. So slow your roll.

Sorry, I just don't think I disagree with c4, except in that one point.

Also, I'm not even sure if he disagrees with it.
 
So, following up on my last post, here is why, collectively, the EC lottery teams may be on more of a par with those in the WC.

1. As I illustrated, the big difference in W/L records for the non-playoff teams has been due to inter-conference play. Average number of wins within their own conferences is 18.5 for both the EC and WC non-playoff teams. However, The WC lottery teams have had much better success in their 30 games against the Eastern Conference teams. Average wins by WC lottery teams against the EC was 13.9. By contrast, EC lottery teams only won 8.7 games against WC teams.

If the difference is related to travel fatigue, well, that's not going to change. Move this same Jazz team to the the East coast and they'd win fewer games by having to travel more miles on their road trips.

What I think MIGHT be in play here in terms of inter-conference success by NON-PLAYOFF WC teams is simply the Eastern Conference has had only one elite team in Miami. Everyone else has been beatable. For example, New York, the 2nd seed in the EC would have been the 6th seed n the West. The 5th seed, Chicago, would have been in a tie-breaker to even make the playoffs. Even the non-playoff teams, at home, would have had a chance to win against the upper EC playoff teams. Look at Utah last season. In addition to beating up on the EC lottery teams, they also won against the likes of Miami, Brooklyn, Indiana, Milwaukee and Philadelphia.

That changes this season. I think 1-5, the EC may be on par with the WC. Miami needs no explanation. Indiana really grew up in the playoffs. Brooklyn and New York improved their rosters. Chicago gets Rose back. I think the WC lottery teams win fewer inter-conference games this season and that average 5-win inter-conference disparity lessens.

2. Another big difference is in the quality of the mid-playoff teams:
Atlanta, Toronto and Detroit (or Washington, Cleveland...whoever you plug in) is not as strong as GS, Denver and Portland (or whoever you project 6-8). Non-playoff teams in the EC have a better chance of winning a game, particularly at home, against those EC teams than do the lottery teams in the WC.

3. And finally, I will admit there is some schedule strength difference in the lottery-bound teams, but certainly not as much as many are professing, and only against the very worst teams. As a whole, I believe the non-playoff WC teams are fairly even with their Eastern counterparts. Maybe the Lakers can still be a little better than everyone else. Maybe NOLA improves to 40 wins. Those are stretches. But Saramento, Minnesota, Cleveland, Milwaukee...I just don't see a whole lot of separation West vs. East.

I do, however, see Philly and Boston as the absolute dregs of the NBA...much, much worse than Phoenix and Utah. So two additional games against those teams? OK...maybe makes a difference of one extra win in the overall record of a few EC teams.
 
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^^This is to be expected on average. WC teams win more against EC because they are better teams on average. On average you are correct. Now let's do a straight up match up.

Portland v Toronto
Actual standings
P 33-49 .402 T 34-48 .415
VS East
P 15-15 .500 T 22-30 .423
VS West
P 18-34 .346 T 12-18 .400
Vs each other
1-1

If you take their averages and switch conferences
VS east
P 26-26 .500 T 13-17 .433(note I actually gave toronto the benefit and rounded up the extra game)
vs West
p 10-20 .333 T 21-31 .403Note: I didn't round up for Portland but did for Toronto)
Final Standings
P 36-46 .439 T 34-48 .415

AS you can see Portland got to pick ahead of Toronto not so much because they were worse. But because Toronto Played in EC.
 
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I don't buy that east coast teams travel distance as an excuse. First off in football west coast teams statistically do worse traveling east so there is that. Also west coast teams are spread further apart than east coast teams and west coast teams play against each other more so there for travel more (Phil Jackson even said playing in Chicago helped because it was central and minimized travel distances) in fact the Jazz division NW has more travel/distance than any other division.

On a side note since SEA moved to OKC I thought they should put PHX in the NW and put Porty in the Pacific to help with that travel, or when whatever east coast team eventually moves to SEA then move Minni to the east coast either one of those would help reduce the travel distance.
 
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Jazz win all 4 from GS, but still finish with 25 wins. GS misses the playoffs by 1 game and can point to those Jazz games as what caused them to fail.

If this happens, GS wins wiggins in the crooked *** lottery

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If this happens, GS wins wiggins in the crooked *** lottery

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Umm, we have GS' pick. It's unrestricted. So this would be poetic justice. The NBA couldn't punish them for tanking the way they did, but this sure would make the ownership, coach and fans suffer.
 
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