2014 College Football

[The Thriller]

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Top 25 football program. Top 15 basketball program. Got us in the Pac-12.

I'd say he's alright.


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He didn't get you into the Pac. You were the lone choice after CU was invited. Duh. Who else was the Pac going to invite? BYU was the only option and prop 8 killed that. Based on successful sports, fan support, and overall money making ability, BYU would have been the PAC's #1 choice. But religion isn't exactly desired in a conference of Cal and Stanford.

LOL. I'd say it's about time your basketball program show a pulse! How many terrible coaches is Hill still paying off? Try enough times and eventually a blind squirrel will find a nut.

Losing Sitake and the DL coach to Oregon St is huge. They're both pissed. This could have been avoided had Hill offered them contracts earlier.

 

[fishonjazz]

Sitake gone


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That's rough. My condolences. Where did he go?

 

[Carbon13]

I mean this not to troll, but just for the sake of conversation and to educate myself.

How good is Sitake, really? It seems hard to decouple Whittingham from good defense too.

 

[fishonjazz]

I mean this not to troll, but just for the sake of conversation and to educate myself.

How good is Sitake, really? It seems hard to decouple Whittingham from good defense too.

I think he is more known as a great recruiter than anything else fwiw.

 

[Carbon13]

I think he is more known as a great recruiter than anything else fwiw.

Good point.

 

[prodigy]

Lateral move, not really surprising as Sitake and Anderson are really close. Let's face it Sitake was going to leave eventually anyways, but it does hurt more that he's leaving for another DC gig on our own conference and he's going to pull kids from Utah that would have otherwise ended up here. OSU just became a serious Pac-12 team.

 

[gregbroncs]

I'm a Ute fan.

I got told later. Sorry for the insult.

 

[♪alt13]

I got told later. Sorry for the insult.

The cougar fan thing was an insult.

The jab about the BIG12 was funny.

 

[♪alt13]

I mean this not to troll, but just for the sake of conversation and to educate myself.

How good is Sitake, really? It seems hard to decouple Whittingham from good defense too.

It sure puts a lot of pressure on Whittingham to produce a strong defense again next year. Our offense has not been where it needs to be under Whittingham. If he can't keep the defense up without Sitake(including recruiting) over the next few years his head would certainly be on the chopping block. The Utes have built a defensive identity that they can't afford to lose.

 

[The Thriller]

It sure puts a lot of pressure on Whittingham to produce a strong defense again next year. Our offense has not been where it needs to be under Whittingham. If he can't keep the defense up without Sitake(including recruiting) over the next few years his head would certainly be on the chopping block. The Utes have built a defensive identity that they can't afford to lose.

I would say your defense better be good! When you roll with one of the worst offenses, ya gotta have something to keep you afloat! Utes are about to be baptized with fire next year. No more Orchard, Booker, and Anderson. Without those 3 the utes are a 3 win team. Time to find yourselves a half decent qb none of this CainWynnWilson garbage we've seen since BJ graduated 6 years ago.

 

[trigg3r]

I would say your defense better be good! When you roll with one of the worst offenses, ya gotta have something to keep you afloat! Utes are about to be baptized with fire next year. No more Orchard, Booker, and Anderson. Without those 3 the utes are a 3 win team. Time to find yourselves a half decent qb none of this CainWynnWilson garbage we've seen since BJ graduated 6 years ago.

This coming from a guy who thought BYU was better than Utah not even a quarter into the season. You have been just about as wrong as a person can get when it comes to your college football predictions in this thread. Why should we believe that you are right this time and we are going to be a 3 win team next season? Thriller, you blow things way out of proportion constantly when it comes to Utah football.

 

[♪alt13]

I would say your defense better be good! When you roll with one of the worst offenses, ya gotta have something to keep you afloat! Utes are about to be baptized with fire next year. No more Orchard, Booker, and Anderson. Without those 3 the utes are a 3 win team. Time to find yourselves a half decent qb none of this CainWynnWilson garbage we've seen since BJ graduated 6 years ago.

I know that the Utes won't be playing in the Miami Beach Bowl(let alone losing) so no matter how things go next year at least I know they could be worse.

Have fun playing against the American year in year out. It sounds soooo exciting.

PS Utah would have gone undefeated if they had the same schedule as BYU did last year and you know it.

 

[bigb]

Thriller, you blow things way out of proportion constantly

Nuff said.

 

[fishonjazz]

This coming from a guy who thought BYU was better than Utah not even a quarter into the season.

Fwiw, they might have been at that time of the season. (Pre- taysom injury)

 

[fishonjazz]

PS Utah would have gone undefeated if they had the same schedule as BYU did last year and you know it.

Definitely would have had a chance. Going undefeated is hard though. How many teams were undefeated this past season? A loss can happen at any time, against any team if things just happen to go wrong. I don't think washington state is better than utah was but upsets do happen sometimes.

The utes would have been favored in every game though with a byu type schedule and would have had a decent chance at going undefeated

 

[trigg3r]

Fwiw, they might have been at that time of the season. (Pre- taysom injury)

I respect your opinion but vehemently disagree with it. The BYU defense was terrible and the Ute defense was pretty damn good overall. We played in 2013 when you had Hill in Provo and you still lost. I don't see BYU winning in a head to head against Utah if they had played this season. It's one thing to beat Connecticut, Texas, Houston, and Virginia to start the season. It's a different thing entirely to have to go to RES and beat Utah when you're BYU(rivalry).

Could we have laid and egg like in the WSU game? Sure. I think we would have still been easily the favorite if that matchup were to happen though.

 

[fishonjazz]

I respect your opinion but vehemently disagree with it. The BYU defense was terrible and the Ute defense was pretty damn good overall.

I respect your opinion as well. And I don't totally disagree with it.
But while you say byu defense was terrible, the utah offense was also terrible.
And remember, it was not just taysom hills health that made byu a different team at that point in the season...... when taysom went down so did jamaal williams, (by far byus best rb) craig bills and jordan johnson, (byus best safety and best cb) alani fua, (byus best lb) bronson kafusi, (best defensive lineman) too.
The defense was not good 4 games into the season, but it was not too bad until it was decimated by injury.
I think this season's byu team was probably one of the most injured teams in the history of college football.
When they were healthy they were quite good which is why alot of national media had them going undefeated.

Utah very well may have been favored and very well may have won the game (they have owned the rivalry of late) but I think that you are not giving byu enough credit.

As for byus defense pre-taysom injury..... they allowed 10 pts on the road against uconn (not a great point allowance, but not bad at all), 7pts on the road against texas (pretty good pt total imo), 25 against houston (not bad as Houston had a high powered offense ) and 33 against virginia (just horrible)
So out of 4 games they had one garbage defensive game.

Actually Utah's offense was probably better than I give it credit for too. It certainly would have been an entertaining game!

 

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

At first when I heard he left for Oregon St I was concerned for most of the reasons that have been said, recruiting, who will replace him, how much better that could make Oregon St. also keep thinking why do the Utes keep getting poached for coaches. Then I figured well it must be a sign that the U must be doing something right if other coaches want the U's coaches, so I will try to have faith that Whit will find a replacement. With defense being his strong suit (unlike offensive coaching) he may go young with someone that can recruit and teach and he can spend some time helping on the D side and that will allow the offensive coordinator a bit more freedom (assuming that he was partly responsible for the conservative play calling at times).

 

[trigg3r]

I respect your opinion as well. And I don't totally disagree with it.
But while you say byu defense was terrible, the utah offense was also terrible.
And remember, it was not just taysom hills health that made byu a different team at that point in the season...... when taysom went down so did jamaal williams, (by far byus best rb) craig bills and jordan johnson, (byus best safety and best cb) alani fua, (byus best lb) bronson kafusi, (best defensive lineman) too.
The defense was not good 4 games into the season, but it was not too bad until it was decimated by injury.
I think this season's byu team was probably one of the most injured teams in the history of college football.
When they were healthy they were quite good which is why alot of national media had them going undefeated.

Utah very well may have been favored and very well may have won the game (they have owned the rivalry of late) but I think that you are not giving byu enough credit.

As for byus defense pre-taysom injury..... they allowed 10 pts on the road against uconn (not a great point allowance, but not bad at all), 7pts on the road against texas (pretty good pt total imo), 25 against houston (not bad as Houston had a high powered offense ) and 33 against virginia (just horrible)
So out of 4 games they had one garbage defensive game.

Actually Utah's offense was probably better than I give it credit for too. It certainly would have been an entertaining game!

I agree that the offense was brutal. For the most part that was against PAC 12 teams though. I am not saying BYU had Fresno State type defense giving up 59 to us, but the also don't have a comparable defense to IMO USC, Oregon, Stanford, etc. I honestly, think a bad BYU defense makes the Ute offense in this hypothetical game look a lot better than they really are. I understand it would be a rivalry game and I am not totally discounting the possibility of an upset. I just really don't believe it would happen. That might be just the bias in me speaking.

 

[fishonjazz]

I agree that the offense was brutal. For the most part that was against PAC 12 teams though. I am not saying BYU had Fresno State type defense giving up 59 to us, but the also don't have a comparable defense to IMO USC, Oregon, Stanford, etc. I honestly, think a bad BYU defense makes the Ute offense in this hypothetical game look a lot better than they really are. I understand it would be a rivalry game and I am not totally discounting the possibility of an upset. I just really don't believe it would happen. That might be just the bias in me speaking.

Fair enough.