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LazyD said:
Wow. That would be disappointing if true. I hope that's not the case.
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Sadly I think it's the case.

College football is as corrupt and unfair as ever imo and the P5's have more control than ever before.

It's nice that you think that these committee members are honest, fair, and prefect people and will do what's right, but I dont believe that for one second.
 
LazyD said:
I'm not arguing for or against OSU or TCU. I'm saying the committee picks the teams because they think those are the best four teams. Not because one played in a conference championship game and the other didn't. I'm not disagreeing with the selections at all. You guys just make faulty inferences on what people post. It's rather common. Not a big deal. Not everyone is destined to get a good score on the reading comprehension portion of the LSAT
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Playing in and winning a conference championship game helps reveal how good a team is, something that Big 12 teams weren't able to do.

Let's say you are judging a "hottest girl alive" contest. There are 6 girls remaining and you have to choose 4 to go into the final round.

4 of the girls waltz in front of the judges in bikinis and they look flawless (play in conference championship game and win). The other two girls stay fully clothed.

"But this is a hottest girl alive contest, not a bikini contest! Just choose the hottest girls! Not the ones who wore bikinis cuz it don't matter!" -LazyD

Seeing the 4 girls in their bikini, in a way you didn't get to see the other 2 girls, revealed just how hot the 4 girls were.

The conference championship is the biggest showcase of the season, the grand finale.

The Big 12 was like, "nah, we'll just skip that. LOL."

That might have worked to their benefit under the BCS where teams were largely just trying to NOT lose games, but as has just been proven, a committee of humans isn't gonna play dat weak ish.
 
UGLI baby said:
Playing in and winning a conference championship game helps reveal how good a team is, something that Big 12 teams weren't able to do.

Let's say you are judging a "hottest girl alive" contest. There are 6 girls remaining and you have to choose 4 to go into the final round.

4 of the girls waltz in front of the judges in bikinis and they look flawless (play in conference championship game and win). The other two girls stay fully clothed.

"But this is a hottest girl alive contest, not a bikini contest! Just choose the hottest girls! Not the ones who wore bikinis cuz it don't matter!" -LazyD

Seeing the 4 girls in their bikini, in a way you didn't get to see the other 2 girls, revealed just how hot the 4 girls were.

The conference championship is the biggest showcase of the season, the grand finale.

The Big 12 was like, "nah, we'll just skip that. LOL."

That might have worked to their benefit under the BCS where teams were largely just trying to NOT lose games, but as has just been proven, a committee of humans isn't gonna play dat weak ish.
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Dude, they have the entire season to see the teams. It's not like they never saw TCU or Baylor play anyone good.

Baylor played what many believe to be a tougher team in their last game anyway. So clearly, that can't be the be all end all.
 
And what's wrong with wanting to select the hottest girls when the contest is to select the hottest girls alive? Isn't that the purpose?
 
This is the best chance yet BYU is going to have to get into a P5 conference. A little advice, don't act like a prima donna. Make BYU football relevant again by making the concessions you can make to make it easier for an invite to the BIG 12. That or continue down the road of mediocrity.
 
LazyD said:
Dude, they have the entire season to see the teams. It's not like they never saw TCU or Baylor play anyone good.

Baylor played what many believe to be a tougher team in their last game anyway. So clearly, that can't be the be all end all.
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I use the Oregon example. Oregon earlier in the season lost to Arizona. Both teams ended up in their conference championship game and we saw what happened. If BIG 12 were eligible for a conference championship(whether through waiver or adding 2 more teams) then this would have been a non story and either Baylor or TCU would be in the playoff over Ohio State. They really should have foresaw a situation like this.
 
LazyD said:
Dude, they have the entire season to see the teams. It's not like they never saw TCU or Baylor play anyone good.

Baylor played what many believe to be a tougher team in their last game anyway. So clearly, that can't be the be all end all.
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How hard is it to understand that nobody is disagreeing with your opinion that the committee picks what they see as the 4 best teams? It just so happens that a conference title game gives the committee an extra game to look at these teams in situations in which the stakes are high and the pressure is on. It's silly to expect these title match ups not to have a direct effect on just who the committee sees as the best 4 teams.
 
jazzman12 said:
How hard is it to understand that nobody is disagreeing with your opinion that the committee picks what they see as the 4 best teams? It just so happens that a conference title game gives the committee an extra game to look at these teams in situations in which the stakes are high and the pressure is on. It's silly to expect these title match ups not to have a direct effect on just who the committee sees as the best 4 teams.
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I understand that entirely. Every game played should have a direct effect on how they make their determination. I just don't think a title game necessarily gets a big 12 team in. Clearly, the committee doesn't believe TCU or Baylor are one of the top 4 teams, so one of them winning a conference championship would automatically change their mind? That's what it seems is being argued here
 
LazyD said:
I understand that entirely. Every game played should have a direct effect on how they make their determination. I just don't think a title game necessarily gets a big 12 team in. Clearly, the committee doesn't believe TCU or Baylor are one of the top 4 teams, so one of them winning a conference championship would automatically change their mind? That's what it seems is being argued here
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I disagree. The TCU/Baylor game was a real barn burner of a game. TCU gave up that 21 point lead in the 4th to lose by 3. Baylor went on to lose to WV. Without the committee really getting another shot to see those teams in a possible title game, they were penalized big time. TCU which did nothing but win by 52 yesterday dropped from 3rd to 6th. It comes down to the conference championships mattering. The BIG 12 needs a conference championship to avoid this type of situation in the future.
 
trigg3r said:
I disagree. The TCU/Baylor game was a real barn burner of a game. TCU gave up that 21 point lead in the 4th to lose by 3. Baylor went on to lose to WV. Without the committee really getting another shot to see those teams in a possible title game, they were penalized big time. TCU which did nothing but win by 52 yesterday dropped from 3rd to 6th. It comes down to the conference championships mattering. The BIG 12 needs a conference championship to avoid this type of situation in the future.
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So they play again and both look like ****. You act as if the winner automatically goes to the playoff. I disagree with that notion.
 
LazyD said:
So they play again and both look like ****. You act as if the winner automatically goes to the playoff. I disagree with that notion.
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Who is to say they would play like ****? They don't automatically get put in due to that conference championship. I will admit that. If they played like **** then yeah, maybe Ohio State still slips in. But again, say they do play and TCU(3) beats Baylor(6), do you believe that Ohio State jumps TCU? Or how about the reverse? Baylor(6) again beats TCU(3)... My point is that one of those teams is very likely in the playoff rather than watching as they are going to be now. Further proving how important a conference championship is to the committee.
 
Okay, so all I'm getting is that the majority of folks feel like picking the four best teams is a secondary goal for the committee? That would be disappointing if true.
 
Stop bitching.

Big 12? Time to put your big boy pants on and play a conference championship game. Everyone else is putting their reputations on the line. The Pac 12 could have stayed at 10 and Oregon could have ended their season playing a dumpster fire like Oregon St. Instead, they put their season on the line and dismantled a very good Arizona team (who just 2 weeks ago dismantled a very good Utah team). Sorry, but these teams who risk their seasons to play a tough conference championship game rather than good high school teams deserve to go ahead of Big 12 teams.

Baylor and TCU? Cowboy up next time and play a conference championship.
 
LazyD said:
Okay, so all I'm getting is that the majority of folks feel like picking the four best teams is a secondary goal for the committee? That would be disappointing if true.
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I think the committee wants more to go on to make that final decision. Not having a conference championship game sealed TCU and Baylor's fate here. I think there is an argument to be made that both TCU and Baylor are more deserving of the title of being the 4th best team in the nation. The committee did not like the idea of settling that argument while penalizing Ohio State for clobbering another ranked foe in a conference championship game so they rewarded Ohio State and let TCU and Baylor watch the playoff from home. Whether you like that outcome or not, I think it proves that these conference championship games are important.
 
The Thriller said:
Stop bitching.

Big 12? Time to put your big boy pants on and play a conference championship game. Everyone else is putting their reputations on the line. The Pac 12 could have stayed at 10 and Oregon could have ended their season playing a dumpster fire like Oregon St. Instead, they put their season on the line and dismantled a very good Arizona team (who just 2 weeks ago dismantled a very good Utah team). Sorry, but these teams who risk their seasons to play a tough conference championship game rather than good high school teams deserve to go ahead of Big 12 teams.

Baylor and TCU? Cowboy up next time and play a conference championship.
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They are going to need to expand to 2 more teams or get a special waiver to play in that conference championship game in years to come. Which is good news for a team like BYU if they can come to the table humble and ready to concede the things they can. I would guess the BIG 12 would prefer expansion over a special waiver. I guess we'll see.
 
Not very happy with Utah landing in the Vegas Bowl vs Colorado State. Not that Utah is "too good" to play CSU, but I don't like the fact that lower ranked Washington is playing in the Cactus Bowl against a Big12 school (OK State).
 
jazzman12 said:
Not very happy with Utah landing in the Vegas Bowl vs Colorado State. Not that Utah is "too good" to play CSU, but I don't like the fact that lower ranked Washington is playing in the Cactus Bowl against a Big12 school (OK State).
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Same. All we can do now is hopefully put the smack down on CSU and that will be that. Was disappointed about The Vegas Bowl too.
 
https://espn.go.com/college-footbal...ys-conference-reconsider-how-declare-champion

The Big 12 commissioner says the conference will reconsider how to declare its champion after being left out of the four-team college football playoff.

In a phone interview on the College Football Playoff Selection Show, Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby told ESPN's Rece Davis: "It's clear that we were penalized for not having a postseason championship game. It would have been nice to have been told that ahead of time."

"We have to weigh whether this is substantial enough to add institutions. ... It's certainly a major consideration."
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