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KqWIN said:
The 32% from 2FG and 39% at the rim is just.....damn that's terrible haha. I don't think he's PG and it's not fair to make that comparison. But you can be a lot worse than PG and still be very good. I'll be watching to see where his shooting goes from here and whether or not it was just a blazing hot start. He seems very Cam Reddish like to me, who I admittedly took the bait on.
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Maybe... if he's a worker with a good attitude I don't think having Cam Reddish's level of talent is a bad thing, but yeah you'd want more if you were drafting 4-7.

Will watch what Miller does the rest of the year. I liked Jabari last year so maybe I have a type. Not giving up on Jabari at all but if there was a redraft today he likely goes somewhere between 8-10.
 
Isnt the thing with Reddish just that he takes really bad shots and isnt actually a good shooter?

Miller's thing seems to be he is a great shooter, but he cant really create separation and isnt strong enough to finish in the paint. I think those things could be teachable because he is a prospect with great size and shot fluidity. I probably jumped the gun about him being a top 5 talent though. Still, the size/length/off ball athleticism/passing/shooting/rebounding/defense are all great attributes to have. Maybe when he's able to put on legit strength he can become more of a efficient primary scoring option.

He/Alabam have also had one of the harder college schedules among the top conferences. They have played 4 ranked teams already with two of them being #1 ranked teams. They are the first college team to beat two #1 ranked opponents before conference play since the 60's or some **** like that.
 
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Saint Cy of JFC said:
Isnt the thing with Reddish just that he takes really bad shots and isnt actually a good shooter?

Miller's thing seems to be he is a great shooter, but he cant really create separation and isnt strong enough to finish in the paint. I think those things could be teachable. I probably jumped the gun about him being a top 5 talent though. Still, the size/length/off ball athleticism/passing/shooting/rebounding are all great attributes to have. Maybe when he's able to put on legit strength he can become more of a efficient primary scoring option.
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I think Cam's issues are general attitude but might be misreading things.

I think Miller has a better handle than those guys. I think he could end up being like Smith Jr. but those are guys you take shots at to see if they can add the other stuff. The HS tape combined with the shooting on a very good team is what has me intrigued.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Still dont know what to think of Mitchell. He's been really good at what he's doing, but he isnt doing much that would make him a lottery pick unless his shot looks good in practice.
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He's more of an idea at this point. He hasn't shot a 3 this season. He's shooting FTs at around 40%. He doesn't pass much. He's a great end-to-end athlete with serious bounce, which sometimes shows up in his rebounding. But otherwise, there are several other wings who are better basketball players in the late 1st or early 2nd round. People got excited about Greg Brown at Texas a couple years ago, and Mitchell could be similar if he doesn't develop. I honestly think he could slip to the 2nd round.

Julian Phillips, Jordan Walsh, Leonard Miller and a couple others have an argument for going ahead of Mitchell, imo.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
He's more of an idea at this point. He hasn't shot a 3 this season. He's shooting FTs at around 40%. He doesn't pass much. He's a great end-to-end athlete with serious bounce, which sometimes shows up in his rebounding. But otherwise, there are several other wings who are better basketball players in the late 1st or early 2nd round. People got excited about Greg Brown at Texas a couple years ago, and Mitchell could be similar if he doesn't develop. I honestly think he could slip to the 2nd round.

Julian Phillips, Jordan Walsh, Leonard Miller and a couple others have an argument for going ahead of Mitchell, imo.
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His FT shooting is 55%. He had a super low volume and just went 6/6. I wouldnt read anything into his FT shooting until he gets more attempts.

And I would definitely say he is much better than Greg Brown. He knows his strengths and plays to them. Seems to be much higher IQ/feel than Brown.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Like Walsh might be more a RoCo type and less of a Bridges type dude.
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Walsh has a high motor, he's a relentless defender, he's got a handle, and he can play on the ball. He's got more to his game that he showed before coming to Arkansas. I could see the Iguodala comps people were making, tbh. He's not as explosive as Iggy, but he could be that complementary two-way wing. He's a guy whom I could see really rising during the workout process. He might kill people in workouts.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
He's more of an idea at this point. He hasn't shot a 3 this season. He's shooting FTs at around 40%. He doesn't pass much. He's a great end-to-end athlete with serious bounce, which sometimes shows up in his rebounding. But otherwise, there are several other wings who are better basketball players in the late 1st or early 2nd round. People got excited about Greg Brown at Texas a couple years ago, and Mitchell could be similar if he doesn't develop. I honestly think he could slip to the 2nd round.

Julian Phillips, Jordan Walsh, Leonard Miller and a couple others have an argument for going ahead of Mitchell, imo.
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With him it seems he is the athlete who will figure out basketball later... I just don't think those guys pan out all that often. I honestly can't think of many. The league just seems too skilled for those types.
 
KqWIN said:
Hot take twitter crowd is saying Noah Clowney > Brandon Miller. Thoughts?
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I think Brandon Miller is primarily an off-ball, floor-spacing wing. His upside is based on the idea that he can do a lot more than that, like create on the ball, playmake, score at three levels, defend multiple positions, etc. If you regard Brandon Miller as mostly just a shooter, then you start to evaluate him alongside other wing shooters in this class like Gradey Dick, Jett Howard and some others, and you start asking yourself if Miller is really a better shooter than those other guys.

People seem to be split on Miller, depending on how well-rounded they think his game is. In any case, I don't see much point in comparing him to guards or even smaller wings. Miller may ultimately end up playing at the 4.
 
I think people thought Mitchell would be a wing prospect, but he's more like a undersized big with athleticism to guard wings. He could have a John Collins type freshman to sophomore jump if he stays in school. Their coaching **** might make it more likely he goes pro though.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
He's interesting. I think Miller got a bit overhyped but I'd have zero problem taking him 5-7 range. My way too early actual top 10 is:

Wemby
Scoot
Amen
Cam Whitmore
Brandon Miller
Nick Smith Jr.
Anthony Black
GG Jackson
Ausar Thompson
Keyonte George

Prolly lower on Nick Smith than many. Its just the player type I guess.
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I think, at the end of the day, Ausar Thompson and GG Jackson will probably go ahead of Brandon Miller. It's not a knock on Miller per se, just that I see other guys starting to rise.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I think people thought Mitchell would be a wing prospect, but he's more like a undersized big with athleticism to guard wings. He could have a John Collins type freshman to sophomore jump if he stays in school. Their coaching **** might make it more likely he goes pro though.
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I don't know... his block numbers are so low for that player type. I might take him in the 20s but I just think those types rarely pan out. Like if you are a crazy athlete it should show up more in the hustle stats.
 
If the Jazz can't get a pick in the top 10, I think Jett Howard could possibly work as a saucy, 6'7" wing who can score and playmake. Ideally, the Jazz would get one of the top 8 guys, but it looks like they're too good to get there.
 
Another wildcard is Jarace Walker. His physical presence is undeniable, but his impact on games seems to be less than it should be and his scoring is limited to certain situations.
 
Every time I hear draft dudes talking about Anthony Black I just want him here even more. Eff it he is top 5 for me... and really top 5 not the pretend top 5 that has 12-15 players in it.

Wemby
Scoot
Amen
Whitmore
Black

I see some Giddey, some Lonzo, some Tyrese maybe... just think between him and Lauri it gets easier to fill out the rest of the building blocks because they have some flexibility they offer. A smart player in a smart system with a smart coach
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Every time I hear draft dudes talking about Anthony Black I just want him here even more. Eff it he is top 5 for me... and really top 5 not the pretend top 5 that has 12-15 players in it.

Wemby
Scoot
Amen
Whitmore
Black

I see some Giddey, some Lonzo, some Tyrese maybe... just think between him and Lauri it gets easier to fill out the rest of the building blocks because they have some flexibility they offer. A smart player in a smart system with a smart coach
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How tall is Black and what position is he?
 
agree with hh about black. he's right there at about 5-7. too many positives with elite size, vision, decision making and passing - near elite athleticism. definitely plus athlete. i don't like his low release set shot, but it's not as if his shot is broken. i have no idea what to think of the thompson twins - that league they play in is straight ****. i'd rather somebody else draft them and if they become stars, i can live with that. though, what we know is they are elite athletes with excellent length - again, i'd rather somebody else take them them top 5 or 6, but at around 10, yeah, you probably don't pass that up.
 
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