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Saint Cy of JFC said:
Depends on what you mean by flourish and what kind of team they get on. I think Amen is going to need a lot of spacing around him.

With Ausar since his **** is better, he's a bit safer, but I'm also scared he might just be Terrance Ferguson or something like that.
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SoberasHotRod said:
I think Amen is the type of athlete that can get wherever he wants on the court, no matter how crowded things get. There aren't a lot of those type of guys in the NBA. If his vision and passing translate to the NBA, then he is going to be good. He'll need to keep working on his shot and commit himself to being a defensive menace, where he certainly has the tools to be crazy good on the defensive side.

Ideally Amen would go somewhere with a 5 that can shoot. If the Jazz somehow were able to draft Amen, and he becomes the type of player he seems capable of, then maybe we would have to pivot from Kessler. Luckily, Lauri makes a lot of different type of lineups work.

I would definitely be nervous to draft Amen, but also super excited since I seem him as one of the few players in this draft with super high upside.
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I guess when I say flourish I mean get to all star level guard. A player you would be comfortable giving the ball in a playoff series with game on the line or throughout a playoff series. I've been watching a bit more of their highlights last couple of days...it's insane how much the defense retreats and leaves them space to shoot. I kind of am not sure they will be able to punish NBA level atheltes and length like they did with their athleticism in that league. Like... they were regularly given 10 feet of space... I don't think I've ever seen anything like this. And they still were not able to take advantage in half-court setting. Their half-court setting %s are abysmal for how athletic they are.

I don't know... I'm getting really queasy about them both to be honest. I think I agree it will be hard to fully take advantage of Amen's athleticism if we have Kessler's man clogging the paint in addition to his own man not respecting his shot.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Nah. He can shoot a basketball. It’s not a strength, but he at least doesn’t have weird chicken wing form and shoot 25% from three. IIRC he shot in the high 30s as a freshman.

Amen might actually be ****ed on this.
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And yeah, the list of legit contenders - let alone champions - led by a perimeter player than can’t shoot is… uhh… 0? Is it 0?

Giannis is the closest thing I can think of and he’s basically a 7’ freight train surrounded by shooters so I don’t think he qualifies.

I don’t think Russ qualifies because he wasn’t the lead on the Thunder, he doesn’t have shattered form, and he still isn’t as bad as Amen.
 
If you draft Amen, you just put the ball in his hands and eventually trade Kessler. Otherwise I think it just doesn’t work. It has a chance to if you basically situate him like Giannis (but he ain’t Giannis).
 
NUMBERICA said:
If you draft Amen, you just put the ball in his hands and eventually trade Kessler. Otherwise I think it just doesn’t work. It has a chance to if you basically situate him like Giannis (but he ain’t Giannis).
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Then why not just trade Kessler for Scoot now and have a better prospect to begin with? (if such a trade is available)
 
You can play a non-shooting guard and a true big like WK just fine if the guard is an elite paint touch guy. I would actually say it's imperative to have a good roll man with a guy like Amen because you want to take advantage of his elite passing.

Just prepare to have some alternate type lineups. Trading WK would be so foolish given the rise of dominant bigs. You need his defense to beat Denver, without question.
 
I must be in the minority, because I don’t like the Thompson twins at all for the Jazz. I’d much rather see the Jazz trade up for Whitmore or Walker, or stay at 9 and draft Black or Hendricks. I’m still intrigued by Cason Wallace, but I have some minor concerns with rumored back issues. If the medicals check out, he’s higher up on my list.

So many smokescreens right now, and most of it’s all ********. Danny Ainge isn’t going to tip his hand. I think he’s going to make a bold move to get a guy he wants. Hopefully it’s the right move. He killed it at the top of the draft in Boston. I have faith in him to get it right in Utah too. DA is one of the absolute best in the business.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
because he's not really a lead guard. you might be trying to fit a square peg into a round hole by trying to make him that.
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Fair enough, one of the things I thought people had a blind spot with Ivey last year as that he did not play PG at Purdue. Same is true for Bufkin. He was not Michigan's main PG.
 
KqWIN said:
Fair enough, one of the things I thought people had a blind spot with Ivey last year as that he did not play PG at Purdue. Same is true for Bufkin. He was not Michigan's main PG.
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yeah, i'm not saying he can't play lead guard, i'm just saying there is a chance it work. if you are drafting him to be a pg, you are a taking an extra risk. i still like the guy a ton, but that's a concern i have.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
You can play a non-shooting guard and a true big like WK just fine if the guard is an elite paint touch guy. I would actually say it's imperative to have a good roll man with a guy like Amen because you want to take advantage of his elite passing.

Just prepare to have some alternate type lineups. Trading WK would be so foolish given the rise of dominant bigs. You need his defense to beat Denver, without question.
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Stretch Cs also exist (Naz Reid, and I got thumped for Zingis, but).
 
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