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2nd Best Player Ever

Who is the second best basketball player in history?

  • Magic Johnson

    Votes: 8 22.2%

  • Larry Bird

    Votes: 4 11.1%

  • Wilt Chamberlain

    Votes: 8 22.2%

  • Bill Russell

    Votes: 1 2.8%

  • Kobe Bryant

    Votes: 3 8.3%

  • Kareem Abdul Jabbar

    Votes: 6 16.7%

  • Karl Malone

    Votes: 1 2.8%

  • Hakeem Olajuwon

    Votes: 3 8.3%

  • Oscar Robinson

    Votes: 1 2.8%

  • Shaquille O'neal

    Votes: 1 2.8%
  • Total voters
    36
Shouldn't Duncan be in the conversation, if Malone and shaq are.

I still say Kobe though. Just saying.
 
NAOS said:
Kobe's defense has been over-rated for years. It is EXTREMELY OVER-RATED when you look at what he does now.
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He's a 9 time defensive first team in the NBA. If overrated means he's not Bruce Bowen, then I'm confused. I'd rather have in on the defensive end guarding SG than 99.999999 of SG's who ever played the game. Can you please elaborate how he's been overrated "for years."

I really ****ing hate backing up a douchebag, but damn, truth will be told.
 
addictionary said:
Of course there will be. There are already better players and there have been others before. But not in the NBA. Michael Jordan is a product of advertisement revolution in the league. So many will not notice the better players because of the lack of spot lights.
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I would like to agree with this, but this is just stupid. Jordan was Jordan because he was the best player to ever play and revolutionize the game. The media needed him more than he did them, but when all was said and done, if you ever watched Jordan, it's common knowledge there will never be another.
 
I was about to type an argument defending Hakeem the Dream... but after looking at the stats I can't make the argument that he is better than Wilt Chamberlain or Kareem. I will just say this, I don't feel comfortable voting for Wilt or Kareem because I never saw Wilt play and I only saw Kareem play in his twilight. Hakeem is the most complete Center I have ever watched play the game of basketball. That's why I voted for him.
 
Hack said:
Shouldn't Duncan be in the conversation, if Malone and shaq are.

I still say Kobe though. Just saying.
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There are only room for 10 options in a poll, so I put in Malone over Duncan, cause, you know...it's a Jazz board, and neither were going to be favorites to win this debate.
 
WhiskyPriest said:
I was about to type an argument defending Hakeem the Dream... but after looking at the stats I can't make the argument that he is better than Wilt Chamberlain or Kareem. I will just say this, I don't feel comfortable voting for Wilt or Kareem because I never saw Wilt play and I only saw Kareem play in his twilight. Hakeem is the most complete Center I have ever watched play the game of basketball. That's why I voted for him.
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Going by stats alone is very misguided. If that was the case, then I would have to put Oscar as the best player ever (averaged a triple double as a rookie). Wilt was a physical freak, but his greatness heavily came from the time he was playing in. He was the only 7 footer at the time, playing in a league without a 3 pointer, and more importantly, NO GOAL-TENDING. For those of you who haven't actually watched Wilt play, he would sit under the basket, wait for one of his teammates to shoot the ball, then while it was on its downward arc, grab it in mid-air, and dunk it. I remember seeing one of his teammates shoot a bank shot, but after it hit the backboard, Wilt just grabbed it and put it in, himself. Hell, if I was playing with a bunch of 5th graders on an 8 foot hoop, without goal-tending, I'd average 50 ppg too.

Having said that, Wilt was one of the most physically gifted players of all time. If he had been born into today's age, I'd say he would be something along the lines of a Dwight Howard; a physically gifted beast, but raw offensively.
 
WhiskyPriest said:
I was about to type an argument defending Hakeem the Dream... but after looking at the stats I can't make the argument that he is better than Wilt Chamberlain or Kareem. I will just say this, I don't feel comfortable voting for Wilt or Kareem because I never saw Wilt play and I only saw Kareem play in his twilight. Hakeem is the most complete Center I have ever watched play the game of basketball. That's why I voted for him.
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Just reads NUMERICA's take on Hakeem and nothing more should be said. Ballet dancers wish they had his footwork. Rex Ryan pops at least five bonners a day thinking about it.
 
spycam1 said:
Going by stats alone is very misguided. If that was the case, then I would have to put Oscar as the best player ever (averaged a triple double as a rookie). Wilt was a physical freak, but his greatness heavily came from the time he was playing in. He was the only 7 footer at the time, playing in a league without a 3 pointer, and more importantly, NO GOAL-TENDING. For those of you who haven't actually watched Wilt play, he would sit under the basket, wait for one of his teammates to shoot the ball, then while it was on its downward arc, grab it in mid-air, and dunk it. I remember seeing one of his teammates shoot a bank shot, but after it hit the backboard, Wilt just grabbed it and put it in, himself. Hell, if I was playing with a bunch of 5th graders on an 8 foot hoop, without goal-tending, I'd average 50 ppg too.

Having said that, Wilt was one of the most physically gifted players of all time. If he had been born into today's age, I'd say he would be something along the lines of a Dwight Howard; a physically gifted beast, but raw offensively.
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The most impressive stat about Wilt is home many bitches he Chamberlained. 10,000 +
 
Archie Moses said:
I would like to agree with this, but this is just stupid. Jordan was Jordan because he was the best player to ever play and revolutionize the game. The media needed him more than he did them, but when all was said and done, if you ever watched Jordan, it's common knowledge there will never be another.
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Oh mine, you misunderstood me and finally in my life for the first time I have been accused of not giving the credit to Jordan.
 
Archie Moses said:
Just reads NUMERICA's take on Hakeem and nothing more should be said. Ballet dancers wish they had his footwork. Rex Ryan pops at least five bonners a day thinking about it.
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not just the footwork. He is the NBA's all time leader in blocks as well. He brought it on both ends of the floor.
 
WhiskyPriest said:
not just the footwork. He is the NBA's all time leader in blocks as well. He brought it on both ends of the floor.
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I think there's certainly an argument for Hakeem. The main knock on him, imo, is that he won his rings during the window Jordan was retired. Would he have won them if Jordan had still been around?
 
All this talk of "the greats" makes me want to have a fantasy basketball draft with the legends. Is this something others would be interested in doing to fight the off season boredom?
 
spycam1 said:
All this talk of "the greats" makes me want to have a fantasy basketball draft with the legends. Is this something others would be interested in doing to fight the off season boredom?
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Fantasy Draft including every player ever. (I would assume we would draft 5 players.)

Yeah I'm kind of in for this.
 
So Far I count three people: Me, you, and the other guy. We should invite some Turks to be in the draft. I think it would be funny to see Hedo and Memo go in the first round.
 
WhiskyPriest said:
So Far I count three people: Me, you, and the other guy. We should invite some Turks to be in the draft. I think it would be funny to see Hedo and Memo go in the first round.
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I'm sure a few more will show interest tomorrow, then we can make a thread specifically about it and get more peeps.
 
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