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After game 1, who wishes we had a draft pick next year?

Cyrone Torbin said:
I would say the biggest difference between OKC 09/10 and Jazz 11/12 is Kevin Durant. We aren't getting a KD in this draft, no matter where we draft though ,so it's a mute point. If Marshall is still available at 14, I would be surprised. I don't think we really missed on that "missing piece" by making the playoffs. GSW might have ****ed us over though.
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No no it's media hype idoit. Didn't you read the post above?

LBJ-Wade, Durant-Harden-Westbrook, Kobe-Bynum, Al Jefferson-Hayward, no difference other than media hype.
 
chawx said:
The difference between 2010 OKC and 2012 Jazz is the media pimps the OKC team every step of the way, while they say only a couple subtle positives about the Jazz. Media hype, aka Superstar status, goes a long way in today's NBA. Sometimes media hype is all you need and you'll a) get the calls, b) get the benefit of the doubt, and c) probably go further in the playoffs than you should, because you're given 1 or 2 games that you have no business winning. Therefore, perpetuating the false notion that your team is good, when really, they're media hyped and superstar status'd and the NBA will do it's best to keep that team relevant.

Media hype is probably something this team will never have. No one they would have drafted at 14 or 8 will have media hype either.

To win this team needs more media hype, and the only way to get hyped is to be in the playoffs more and show the national audience that Favors and Hayward are fun to watch and Burks is instant offense. If they see that, they'll pimp us more. If they pimp us more, we'll get more calls (especially on the road) and we'll win more.

If you want more Kirk Snyders, Morris Almonds, and Raul Lopez's...keep wishing for draft picks.
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Not sure if the highlighted part is serious... please confirm. Thanks.
 
NUMBERICA said:
To answer the original question, having at least A draft pick was more important to me than the playoffs. If the Jazz wound up getting the GS pick, then great, playoffs. If the Jazz don't get that, then I'm happy to miss the playoffs.

The Jazz just aren't armed enough yet moving forward. IMO.
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But the coin toss/raffle whatever was done after the regular season. So there was no way of knowing at the end of the season whether we'd be getting the GS pick or not (even now we still don't know).

I think KOC had it right, you have to teach these guys to win at all cost. You can't do a 'stop' and 'start' approach and only 'win' when it's convenient (i.e., when you have enough pieces or when you don't have draft picks). Just too confusing for the coaches, too confusing for the players, and it's not healthy to team culture.

I believe we'll see an example of this in the next couple of years with the GSW. I'm going to make it my mission to study them religiously and see what the overall impact of their tanking this season is (i.e., net positive or negative).
 
candrew said:
What?
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There isn't a star player in this draft on the level of Kevin Durant that is attainable where we would have/could be be drafting (8 or 14). There isn't even one in the draft period (not even Davis). My point is we are missing a bonafide super-star, and this is mainly what separates us from becoming a top tier team.
 
I was in cancun last week so i was unable to follow the jazz as closely as normal.
I have a question... The last game of the year against portland did not matter at all correct? (I assume that is why all the youngsters got to play so much)

If we would have lost the golden state game then there would not have been a coin toss and we would have just recieved the 8 slot in the lottery, correct?

So if we would have lost that 1 game then we get into the playoffs as an 8 seed against san antonio AND we most likely receive the 8th pick in the draft, Correct?

If i am right then that particular game would have been a great one to lose :)
 
fishonjazz said:
I was in cancun last week so i was unable to follow the jazz as closely as normal.
I have a question... The last game of the year against portland did not matter at all correct? (I assume that is why all the youngsters got to play so much)

If we would have lost the golden state game then there would not have been a coin toss and we would have just recieved the 8 slot in the lottery, correct?

So if we would have lost that 1 game then we get into the playoffs as an 8 seed against san antonio AND we most likely receive the 8th pick in the draft, Correct?

If i am right then that particular game would have been a great one to lose :)
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Hindsight is 20/20. Also, I would like to point out Mark Jackson was prepared to let the team play itself into a bad record for most of the season, it wasn't until things got close that he sent his rotation into full tank mode. They win the Utah game, they just go into full tank mode sooner. You can't look at the situation that strictly, you know?
 
fishonjazz said:
I was in cancun last week so i was unable to follow the jazz as closely as normal.
I have a question... The last game of the year against portland did not matter at all correct? (I assume that is why all the youngsters got to play so much)

If we would have lost the golden state game then there would not have been a coin toss and we would have just recieved the 8 slot in the lottery, correct?

So if we would have lost that 1 game then we get into the playoffs as an 8 seed against san antonio AND we most likely receive the 8th pick in the draft, Correct?

If i am right then that particular game would have been a great one to lose :)
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Woulda-shoulda-coulda. I hear this argument all the time on this board and frankly I'm over it - "That win against GSW would turn out to be one of the worst 'win' of the Jazz's history"

What if GSW had won that game against the Jazz? What then? May be Lacob may have decided on the tank engine a bit earlier? May be they wouldn't have beaten the T'Wolves subsequently? What then? May be Jazz loses the Phoenix game and they got kicked out of the playoffs AND without the GSW pick?

I can play this game all day, but my point is there is no point looking back. Do you see the Spurs 'tanking' because Duncan is getting old and Ginobli is breaking down? Champions don't do that. They play at their best at all time and then 'let the chips fall where they fall' as KOC often puts it.
 
I think they should have played the rookies more this season anyway.

The Spurs, the Heat, and the Warriors have rested some starters some games, why couldn't the Jazz have done the same?
 
northeast said:
I think they should have played the rookies more this season anyway.

The Spurs, the Heat, and the Warriors have rested some starters some games, why couldn't the Jazz have done the same?
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One of these examples does not belong.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
There isn't a star player in this draft on the level of Kevin Durant that is attainable where we would have/could be be drafting (8 or 14). There isn't even one in the draft period (not even Davis). My point is we are missing a bonafide super-star, and this is mainly what separates us from becoming a top tier team.
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No, no, I was speaking to your "mute" point.


Never mind.
 
This year is unique for the Jazz because a) they don't get their own pick if they make the playoffs, and b) this year's draft is deep and talented, and a player like Marshall, Lillard, Q. Miller, Terrence Jones or Austin Rivers could be had where the Jazz's own pick would have fallen. Any of those players could prove to be a difference maker for the Jazz. It would be exceedingly cool if the Jazz got a pick this year at #8 (Barnes, PJIII, Marshall), but given the fact that the Jazz don't have that pick (yet, hopefully), the Jazz have to improvise. The Jazz need to trade a big anyway and could leverage a future pick and their player exception to get a decent player/asset to make up for the lost draft pick.

Now here's why OKC's situation is actually similar to the Jazz's. I would argue that OKC is still not a completely built team because they don't have much young scoring talent in their front court. They're still a perimeter and slashing-oriented team. I like Ibaka, but I don't know if they're going to get past San Antonio without more inside scoring. Their fans might argue that they should have sucked one more year and gotten a talented big somehow.
 
FWIW, I think the Jazz weren't expecting Golden State to finish 3 - 17, and I don't think they were expecting Houston to lose 7 or their last 8 games.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Woulda-shoulda-coulda. I hear this argument all the time on this board and frankly I'm over it - "That win against GSW would turn out to be one of the worst 'win' of the Jazz's history"

What if GSW had won that game against the Jazz? What then? May be Lacob may have decided on the tank engine a bit earlier? May be they wouldn't have beaten the T'Wolves subsequently? What then? May be Jazz loses the Phoenix game and they got kicked out of the playoffs AND without the GSW pick?

I can play this game all day, but my point is there is no point looking back. Do you see the Spurs 'tanking' because Duncan is getting old and Ginobli is breaking down? Champions don't do that. They play at their best at all time and then 'let the chips fall where they fall' as KOC often puts it.
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I actually wasn't trying to start an arguement. Wow you sure get upset easily.

I was just saying it would be cool to be in the playoffs while also getting the golden state pick.... i guess you disagree.
 
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