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After game 1, who wishes we had a draft pick next year?

fishonjazz said:
So you think that these young players would think that its ok to play great for just one half in the playoffs if they were never to make it into the playoffs?

I think that they are smart enough to know that they need to play great for the whole game against a number one seed in a playoff game even before they made the playoffs. I also think that they know that they need to shoot better than 50% free throws to beat good team in the playoffs.

As far as the level of intensity question.... i noticed it in the spurs home crowd for sure. However it didn't seem like alot of the players were more intense than in a big time regular season game.

I still saw Al being his slow self, i saw parker destroying us, I saw duncan with solid if unspactacular play, I saw bonner hitting threes.... In other words it looked just like jazz vs spurs in the regular season. Except for the crowd (they were very intense and awesome.)
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Just because we didn't play well doesn't mean that we weren't playing with a different intensity. It just meant that:

1) The occasion got to us (we are wayyy less experienced in the playoffs setting/atmosphere); or
2) Spurs raised their game up a notch and we were unable to match it.

You can train & learn to swim in the pool all you like. But it's when your ship has sunk and you need to swim in the sea that you can realize what it's really like to do it for real.
 
candrew said:
I'm not calling you a loser; but this is such a loser mentality.
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That's one viewpoint. Another one is that the celebrating of mediocrity is a loser mentality. I would prefer playoff experience if I believed for one minute that we had the majority of our pieces in place, but I don't. This team is who they are, and they're not getting a lot better without moving one or more key players. Until then, I'll continue to have higher hopes than having to celebrate a 3-way tie for 13th place.
 
I dont care if we lose 4 straight, Playoffs everytime for me. And YES, we do have the core we need. Trade sap for a quality small, good to go.
 
freakazoid said:
That's one viewpoint. Another one is that the celebrating of mediocrity is a loser mentality. I would prefer playoff experience if I believed for one minute that we had the majority of our pieces in place, but I don't. This team is who they are, and they're not getting a lot better without moving one or more key players. Until then, I'll continue to have higher hopes than having to celebrate a 3-way tie for 13th place.
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I don't think you can assume we'll easily make playoffs next year with the 13th pick in our team though... (T.Jones, Lamb, Rivers are projected around #13-#15, great players but will they become consistently good straight away?)

Most of the teams in the playoffs this year would either stay the same or get better. Portland will get a couple of picks so they could be competing for playoffs (with Aldridge & Batum, etc). T'Wolves will get Rubio back and Love is still there. Houston will continue to compete for the 8th spot under McFail.

What I'm saying is our young guys need a taste of the playoffs and I don't think I can say for 100% certain that we'll make the playoff next year, even with the #13 pick.
 
Fakers Luck said:
After Game 1, who wishes we had drafted Tony Parker (Raul Lopez) and Manu Ginobili (Quincy Lewis and Andrei Kirilenko)?
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The fan boys of Draft picks need to address this point. Who is to say that if we had missed the playoffs this year that we don't draft crappily and end up with another Raul, instead of a Parker or Ginobli?

Why would you ever hope for the uncertainty of the draft, over real confidence and real experience in the playoffs for a young team?
 
Sometimes in life, you have to give up something, in order to get where you want to go. This is a theory called sacrifice, and it's been around for a lot longer than basketball.
 
chawx said:
The fan boys of Draft picks need to address this point. Who is to say that if we had missed the playoffs this year that we don't draft crappily and end up with another Raul, instead of a Parker or Ginobli?

Why would you ever hope for the uncertainty of the draft, over real confidence and real experience in the playoffs for a young team?
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That was precisely my point...the draft is only as good as the player selected. The Jazz would have just picked a token white guy like Myers Leonard, and they would have been no better next season. On the other hand, if the Jazz were as well-run as the Spurs...
 
Catchall said:
Btw, I think Evan Turner can play pg, and I would consider moving Al Jefferson in a deal involving Turner. He's kind of like Shaun Livingston, pre-injury.
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That is going to be awesome when we have to play against Chris Paul and Tony Parker.
 
Its simple for me... I love the experience of the playoffs for the team but the Draft is my favorite part of the off season and all the scenarios of having two lottery picks was so exciting:

Who do we pick? One player or two and who? Trade up? Use our exceptions? Trade a pick, and exception, and a player (jefferson or millsap) etc? So intriguing. I for some reason think that Andre Drummond has star potential and would have loved to move up to get him and then trade one of our bigs for a SF. Any who... this will be a boring off season after 4 more games.

All can change if somebody jumps GSW's!
 
I still say playoffs all day. The Jazz also have many assets they can trade for a pick if they are so desperate for one. The playoff experience and intensity level mentioned by everyone else, is invaluable. If we don't have this, we'll be the Wizards of the West or be stuck in the same mindset as the Kings and Warriors for many devastating years. We have enough young pieces, we should focus on developing and catering to them so they'll play for us in the future. Hopefully "team loyalty" exists by then.
 
blackham9258 said:
Its simple for me... I love the experience of the playoffs for the team but the Draft is my favorite part of the off season and all the scenarios of having two lottery picks was so exciting:

Who do we pick? One player or two and who? Trade up? Use our exceptions? Trade a pick, and exception, and a player (jefferson or millsap) etc? So intriguing. I for some reason think that Andre Drummond has star potential and would have loved to move up to get him and then trade one of our bigs for a SF. Any who... this will be a boring off season after 4 more games.

All can change if somebody jumps GSW's!
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Dude, you didn't played enough Total Club Manager or something like this.
 
candrew said:
When OKC was an 8 seed 3 years ago, was anyone looking for them to tank?
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Now wait just a god damn minute. OKC also was overflowing with assets, had a scoring champion, and won 50 games that year. Also, who said anything about tanking?

At least ****ing try to compare apples to apples.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHipzGL4dwM&feature=player_embedded

Great clip for arm-chair GMs out there...I know it's about football, but substitute in Point Guards, Small Forwards, etc and it's the same point.

You'll never know like you think you'll know when it comes to the draft.
 
To answer the original question, having at least A draft pick was more important to me than the playoffs. If the Jazz wound up getting the GS pick, then great, playoffs. If the Jazz don't get that, then I'm happy to miss the playoffs.

The Jazz just aren't armed enough yet moving forward. IMO.
 
Playoff experience for Hayward, Favors, Burks, Kanter (and potentially Carroll if the Jazz look to bring him back) is more important than the difference between a first-round pick in 2012 and a first-rounder in 2013 (it's not like we completely forfeit the pick, we'd likely lose it in 2013 if not 2012).

The one caveat is the Jazz are a better team when Favors sees more burn and Al less, and Burks/Carroll more time than a rusty and veteran Josh Howard. If Ty is going to limit their PT because of their inexperience rather than their effectiveness, some of the benefit will be negated, but overall making the playoffs will be more benificial when you keep in mind the Jazz still have assets, still have youth, and still have alot of ways to improve in the offseason.
 
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