This applies to the all star weekend and the league as a whole….The NBA needs to go back to selling basketball as the product. IMO, the league has been trying to sell itself on everything but the actual game itself. It’s about the gossip, ads, celebs, legacy, and players as celebs. These are all things that distract you from the actual game of basketball. It’s all fluff. They do everything in their power to ensure that the basketball being played is the most insignificant thing.
All Star Weekend from San Francisco: Rising Stars, 3-point Contest, Dunk Contest, All Star Game
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How about having an Defensive All Star MVP? (And give the winner something, like a million bucks, or a special shoe colorway for winning.)
How about have the winning team have to play the Harlem Globetrotters?
As far as the dunk contest, I say start a secondary dunk league, associated with the teams. Like have each NBA team have 2 pro dunkers, and they compete with other teams at halftime throughout the year, and then have them compete for a title.
How about have the winning team have to play the Harlem Globetrotters?
As far as the dunk contest, I say start a secondary dunk league, associated with the teams. Like have each NBA team have 2 pro dunkers, and they compete with other teams at halftime throughout the year, and then have them compete for a title.
The worst part of the NBA right now is that the Jazz are bad.
What I’ve always wanted is a league of beat writers who play 3-on13 against the opposing team’s best writers before games. At the very least, it could generate a mild interest and trash talking on Twitter.
Bad? There's bad, then there's 50 feet of ****, then there's the Jazz.
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I'm not convinced teams still won't load manage, even with a shortened season. It's become a pretty ingrained aspect of the NBA landscape. Plus, I keep hearing and reading from podcasters and pundits that the regular season doesn't matter: it's all about the playoffs. Is that mindset going to change lopping off 15 or so games from the regular season? I suppose there's diminishing returns to this argument the more games are reduced, but I don't see the NBA lopping off too many games. After all, fewer games means less revenue and thus less bargaining power for higher salaries. NBA players may gripe about the length of the season, but I suspect they'd be less wild about lopping off 1/3 or so of their salaries.
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They'd be losing massive amounts of money with that approach.
Like it or not, the young generation of fans doesn't care about the full games. No attention span. They care about the things you listed – online gossip, beefs, what players are wearing in the tunnel, shoe deals, all the draft BS, highlight packages, trolling other teams' fans on Instagram.
You can yell at clouds all you want, but the experience of "pure NBA basketball" is never coming back. The game is not the main product anymore, and that's 100% by design.
Two hours of continuous basketball doesn't fit in the blink-and-you-miss-it world where the need to concentrate on something is seen as frightening and alien.
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Highly doubt that. The NFL markets their league around the game of football and it’s great. The biggest sport in the world, soccer markets itself in the sport. The NBA is struggling, there’s no doubt about that. Slop isn’t saving them, a better product will.
The NBA makes the majority of its money from broadcast rights, not instagram likes. Viewership is down and that’s a reflection of the product which is nationally televised games. If you’re talking about twitter likes, viral podcast clips, or general sports media you might be into something. But that’s not what makes the NBA and the owner of its broadcast rights money.
Money is still going up regardless of viewership dropping, but that doesn’t mean more money could be made with more viewership. The NBA and its broadcast partners have adopted this approach of promoting the slop, and people love the slop, but nobody wants to watch the games. If the slop resulted in more viewership aka the way they make more money that would be one thing, but the opposite is true.
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Which makes the NBA's insistence of fielding TV commentators who constantly trash the current NBA product puzzling. Is there any other sport in which prominent TV commentators routinely trash the on-field/court/ice/etc. product?
Saw someone mention something on another board, but it might be worth thinking about an Elam-type threshold, but instead of points you do it by steals or assists or something that encourages winning/competitive basketball. So, maybe still a traditional 4 quarters, unless one team reaches 15 steals or 30 assists then they win the game.
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If you had to write checks for $50 million dollars a year for an elite player... would you risk putting them in harms way on a weekend that means nothing to satisfy a bunch of bored viewers? Nah.
If you made $50,000,000 every year would you risk your career for an All Star game weekend to be slightly more competitive? Nah...
If you want competition, you need players who arent extremely valuable assets to themselves and their teams.
If you made $50,000,000 every year would you risk your career for an All Star game weekend to be slightly more competitive? Nah...
If you want competition, you need players who arent extremely valuable assets to themselves and their teams.
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If the all star weekend were to include a showcase of young talent trying to make the league, that might be fun.
Say, International vs US up and coming players? Kind of like the McDonalds game.
All the draft gurus would love it. It would be cool if the league invited U18 guys expected to be drafted in the lottery to showcase themselves.
It runs the same risk of being a risk averse game... except there is money to be gained by standing out. That would increase competition.
At the least fans would get a peak in to the next generation and with scouts and gms watching, it would be hard not to compete their hardest to show what they can do.
Say, International vs US up and coming players? Kind of like the McDonalds game.
All the draft gurus would love it. It would be cool if the league invited U18 guys expected to be drafted in the lottery to showcase themselves.
It runs the same risk of being a risk averse game... except there is money to be gained by standing out. That would increase competition.
At the least fans would get a peak in to the next generation and with scouts and gms watching, it would be hard not to compete their hardest to show what they can do.
Agreed, like I get the existence of a Skip Bayless/Stephen A Smith. The entire point of their show is to be slop and it gets people to watch their 30 minute show or like their tweet or whatever.
But why the hell does TNT and ESPN have people working their games that actively saying the game is **** and also don’t care about the game? It’s like the NBA saw Kendrick Perkins getting lots of retweets for ragebaits on twitter and thought that would work well on TV.
There are really good broadcasters out there and they are the ones who actively care about the game that is going on. The thing about these “hater” types is that they really just like the sound of their own voice. It could be the greatest game going on, but they would be more interested into turning it into their own podcast segment.
I think a large problem is that the individuals who say this stuff….they themselves benefit. You have Mike Breen going viral every now and then for saying “Bang!” And those are great moments. But for everyone one of those moments, you have a million other viral moments of “X hates on NBA”. The individual who provides the slop benefits, but the product suffers as a whole.
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Perkins at least is kinda the bumbling idiot. Draymond is the guy who's like "basketball is boring and this format is stupid, also eff these kids and the warriors are winning the title". Just some serious main character stuff.
In both cases those two are there to make it their own podcast. IMO, this really started with JVG when he started to outright ignore the game and go viral with his rants/monologues. From time to time that is OK, but please get somebody in there who is actually interested in the game and making the game interesting to a viewer. I really think the NBA sees Perk/Dray's social media engagement after saying some dumb **** and think that is good....it's awful. Makes the broadcast unbearable and it encourages everyone in the NBA media to act the same.
The most important thing on any given night needs to be the game that's happening in front of you. You don't have to go full CHO pbp guy, but if he can make Hornets basketball exciting we should be able to find someone who can make the all star game exciting. Instead, we got people calling the actual NBA finals who are using it as an opportunity to go viral and make it a podcast.
We had Reggie and Shaq talking about Bol Bol during the very limited basketball we got between ads. Are you ****ing kidding me!!!!
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Remember when Kevin Hart beat Draymond Green in the three point shootout?
Lol good times. I think I could beat him on a good day. And im almost 50 and never play basketball anymore. He is an nba player who probably plays basketball pretty much every day.
Lol good times. I think I could beat him on a good day. And im almost 50 and never play basketball anymore. He is an nba player who probably plays basketball pretty much every day.
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Perkins is the worst kind of takester: the guy who says purposively dumb, provocative crap just to provoke a reaction. He can't possibly believe all the shiite he says, or can he? He's no better than some run-of-the-mill troll on any random social media site, except that he gets paid millions to say the same type of crap.
And, don't get me started on Stephen A. There's no opinion that he can't shout. Whereas ESPN used to feature reasonably serious guys who delivered reasonably serious and informative sports news, now it's the denizen of takester "personalities" who wouldn't recognize nuance if it wore a glowing purple bunny suit and bit them on the arse.
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Oscar Robertson's reaction to Draymond calling NBA games boring: 'it might be boring to him, because if he's not passing to Curry what is he doing?'
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Jordan Poole was correct, Draymond is a backpack for #30. He's the quintessential system player. He luckily found himself playing in the one system where he could thrive and playing with the one person who could carry him to the the heights he reached. Without #30, Draymond would have been an OK starter or quality role player but not a star and most certainly not the Hall-of-Fame player he's destined to be. His stats without Curry are meh, at best: 8.0 points, 6.7 rebounds, and and 5.9 assists and a 50-73 record. Sure, his defense is good, but not THAT good to propel him to HOF status on his own. Bottom line: Draymond is a good player made great because he played with other great players, and one in particular, that elevated his game. In any other system, playing with any other players, his career would likely be over and forgotten by now.