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As of today, is it fair to doubt the organization's commitment to the playoffs next year?

After reading this thread: The Miller's are damn good sales people. Y'all pretty much worship the organization and believe every word of hype they put forth.


Thread cliff notes:


They finished 19-10, when everyone else had either given up, was resting for playoffs, or was tanking. This team is clearly a 54 win team at minimum. add internal improvement and All Star Burks (who apparently is better than the starting small forward on the number two team in the east) and the Jazz probably break the Bulls season win total record.

It has nothing to do with money. The Jazz are trying to win and this team will improve enough to win a championship. They are not building a team that will, at best, exit the second round every year. Because Gobert.
 
franklin said:
After reading this thread: The Miller's are damn good sales people. Y'all pretty much worship the organization and believe every word of hype they put forth.


Thread cliff notes:


They finished 19-10, when everyone else had either given up, was resting for playoffs, or was tanking. This team is clearly a 54 win team at minimum. add internal improvement and All Star Burks (who apparently is better than the starting small forward on the number two team in the east) and the Jazz probably break the Bulls season win total record.

It has nothing to do with money. The Jazz are trying to win and this team will improve enough to win a championship. They are not building a team that will, at best, exit the second round every year. Because Gobert.
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False. Playoff seeding was decided on the final game of the season. Houston went into the last game against Utah fighting for a win. Same with the other playoff teams.

As for this forum buying in. the last two days have seen a lengthy debate about if the Jazz should sign a big name FA or stand pat as per the Jazz PR push.

But that's not what any of this is about now is it. The sensationalism was a nice touch.
 
Stoked said:
False. Playoff seeding was decided on the final game of the season. Houston went into the last game against Utah fighting for a win. Same with the other playoff teams.

As for this forum buying in. the last two days have seen a lengthy debate about if the Jazz should sign a big name FA or stand pat as per the Jazz PR push.

But that's not what any of this is about now is it. The sensationalism was a nice touch.
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If nothing big comes along I'd be fine finding a value FA and carrying a little space into the season. Let the PG situation breathe a bit and see what situations open up. We will do something with our space.

I think we are trying to get something done, but the role we can offer isn't ideal to top tier guys and we likely aren't first on player's lists. This thing ain't over by any means... seeing some of the crappy deals that are being handed out to mid tier guys makes me happy we haven't become impatient yet.
 
NAOS said:
make two lists:

the first list contains all the free agents that were available on June 30th

the second list contains all the free agents that are currently available


Free agency isn't over, you're right. But the options are drying up, son.
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Options are only drying up if you really thought the Jazz had any interest in those players at this time. I don't think they seriously considered any of the guys that have already signed. I honestly don't think they seriously considered going after any free agent that had a shot of going in the first few days.
 
franklin said:
After reading this thread: The Miller's are damn good sales people. Y'all pretty much worship the organization and believe every word of hype they put forth.


Thread cliff notes:


They finished 19-10, when everyone else had either given up, was resting for playoffs, or was tanking. This team is clearly a 54 win team at minimum. add internal improvement and All Star Burks (who apparently is better than the starting small forward on the number two team in the east) and the Jazz probably break the Bulls season win total record.

It has nothing to do with money. The Jazz are trying to win and this team will improve enough to win a championship. They are not building a team that will, at best, exit the second round every year. Because Gobert.
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Either that, or being a Jazz fan means constantly walking that fine line between getting hammered on the Kool-Aid and getting just enough of a buzz going to take the edge off of reality.
 
I don't think the playoffs are anywhere on Utah's list of goals. Playoffs are irrelevant right now. Their goals should be:

Get Favors to All Star level. 23 and 10.
Get Exum involved on offense 10 and 6.
Get Gobert on All NBA defensive list.
Find out if Hood/Burks can fit with the starters or if they are both bench chuckers that need the ball to be effective.

That's it. If Exum doesn't an out, we can kiss title dreaming good bye. Exum, Favors and Gobert are the future.

If we make the playoffs, great. If Exum explodes and we miss the playoffs? Even better.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
. We will do something with our space.

I think we are trying to get something done, but the role we can offer isn't ideal to top tier guys and we likely aren't first on player's lists. This thing ain't over by any means... seeing some of the crappy deals that are being handed out to mid tier guys makes me happy we haven't become impatient yet.
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Chicken little (franklin) disagrees
 
green said:
I don't think the playoffs are anywhere on Utah's list of goals. Playoffs are irrelevant right now. Their goals should be:

Get Favors to All Star level. 23 and 10.
Get Exum involved on offense 10 and 6.
Get Gobert on All NBA defensive list.
Find out if Hood/Burks can fit with the starters or if they are both bench chuckers that need the ball to be effective.

That's it. If Exum doesn't an out, we can kiss title dreaming good bye. Exum, Favors and Gobert are the future.

If we make the playoffs, great. If Exum explodes and we miss the playoffs? Even better.
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What?

You are on crack.

The team goals aren't to make individual goals important.

Of course the playoffs are the goal. This team is set up to be really good.

We're even paying attention last year and did you notice the progression and trajectory of the team?
 
green said:
I don't think the playoffs are anywhere on Utah's list of goals. Playoffs are irrelevant right now. Their goals should be:

Get Favors to All Star level. 23 and 10.
Get Exum involved on offense 10 and 6.
Get Gobert on All NBA defensive list.
Find out if Hood/Burks can fit with the starters or if they are both bench chuckers that need the ball to be effective.

That's it. If Exum doesn't an out, we can kiss title dreaming good bye. Exum, Favors and Gobert are the future.

If we make the playoffs, great. If Exum explodes and we miss the playoffs? Even better.
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Hm. Why does/should the organization feel this way? I'm genuinely curious-- please explain.
 
franklin said:
After reading this thread: The Miller's are damn good sales people. Y'all pretty much worship the organization and believe every word of hype they put forth.


Thread cliff notes:


They finished 19-10, when everyone else had either given up, was resting for playoffs, or was tanking. This team is clearly a 54 win team at minimum. add internal improvement and All Star Burks (who apparently is better than the starting small forward on the number two team in the east) and the Jazz probably break the Bulls season win total record.

It has nothing to do with money. The Jazz are trying to win and this team will improve enough to win a championship. They are not building a team that will, at best, exit the second round every year. Because Gobert.
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You are on crack too.

I pretty much believe that you really don't care or know what's going on and are just here to argue and play the contrarian, but I'll bite.


Instead of just arguing, put your money where your mouth is. Let's make a bet or something.

This team is good. Real good. It's not a fluke. And it all starts with Gobert who is the real deal. He's by far the best defensive center in the league who is only going to get better.

The second half of last year is no fluke. The Jazz will lock down teams and be a top 5 defensive team, if not number 1. That's no hyperbole. It's going to happen.

The only thing stopping this team next year is injuries, if they happen. Other than that, you can take all what I said straight to the bank.


Defense will win you a lot of games in the NBA. This isn't your Al Jefferson or Carlos Boozer lead teams. They aren't going to be soft and wavering like them. They are going to dominate and win games.
 
Because making the playoffs and losing in the first round is a waste of a year if Exum, Favors and Gobert don't take steps forward.

If those three stagnate, we are competing for titles.

Develop those three, then build around them. If you build around them too soon, they don't develop as well and we never reach out potential.

This year is not about playoffs, but about individuals.

The good news is, if individuals improve like we hope, then playoffs probably happen.

For example, if you can get Exum to be more aggressive, then his assist numbers go up. If his assist numbers go up, then someone's points go up, and hopefully it Favors and Gobert out of the pick and roll. If his assist numbers go up, defenses lag, giving him more room to score. His confidence soars and he starts to look like a #5 pick.

It boils down to this: I'd rather have Favors get 23 and 10, Gobert get 12 and 10 and 3, and Exum get 15 and 8 than make then playoffs.

That would be a much better accomplishment than making the playoffs.
 
dude... everybody is gonna have to step forward for us to have a chance at losing in the playoffs.

Also, check you last post for undesired deletions. Parts make the opposite sense of what you intended.

Green back on that Yeyo, doe
 
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