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As the trade deadline inches closer...

gregbroncs said:
Honestly I hate saying stuff like this....But I'm still paying any attention to this season because the deadline is still coming. If nothing happens I'll probably be mostly done for the year. If Rubio is still here after the deadline...Then I'll have a lot less interest then I've had since the Corbin Debacle.

This front office needs to do something. If for nothing else than to keep their stadium half filled the rest of the season. Because this is the most boring team to watch that Quin has coached since being here.
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This is a damn good post and so true.
 
LoPo said:
But by using this logic, why in the hell would Cleveland wait to draft a player this summer when they are spending $200+ million on a roster designed to win now? If the Brooklyn pick can give them a chance to win the title, use it and go win try to win the title. If Cleveland is worried about giving up what could be a top 5 pick, put a protection on the pick.

The Cavs will try to use the pick to get Kemba Walker, DeAndre Jordan and maybe another guy we don't even know about. After that, they will do what they can to add more talent. Sure, Hood and Favors aren't Kemba or Jordan. However, Favors addresses a very clear void in post defense and rebounding. Hood is an upgrade over their starting SG JR Smith. Is it ideal for Cleveland? No. Does Favors and Hood help their chances to win a title this year? Yes. It would be two good players instead of 1 great player, but it's still 2 good players they didn't have.
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Neither Kemba Walker nor DeAndre Jordan are worth a high first round pick. The reasons they wouldn't give away their top asset (and possibly most valued acquirable asset in the league) is that they understand how the market works and how the market values assets, and they are not going to give up a dollar in a trade to get back 50 cents. It would take an incredible packaging of top notch current players plus future draft picks to pry loose the Brooklyn pick. Favor and Hood sure as heck ain't getting it done neither are Kemba or DeAndre. Neither Charlotte nor LA have sufficient return value in assets to induce Cleveland to make the trade.

Of course . . . I could be wrong. This is a world, after all, in which Donald Trump is President, so I guess literally anything is possible.
 
LoPo said:
But by using this logic, why in the hell would Cleveland wait to draft a player this summer when they are spending $200+ million on a roster designed to win now? If the Brooklyn pick can give them a chance to win the title, use it and go win try to win the title. If Cleveland is worried about giving up what could be a top 5 pick, put a protection on the pick.

The Cavs will try to use the pick to get Kemba Walker, DeAndre Jordan and maybe another guy we don't even know about. After that, they will do what they can to add more talent. Sure, Hood and Favors aren't Kemba or Jordan. However, Favors addresses a very clear void in post defense and rebounding. Hood is an upgrade over their starting SG JR Smith. Is it ideal for Cleveland? No. Does Favors and Hood help their chances to win a title this year? Yes. It would be two good players instead of 1 great player, but it's still 2 good players they didn't have.
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Neither Kemba Walker nor DeAndre Jordan are worth a high first round pick. The reasons they wouldn't give away their top asset (and possibly most valued acquirable asset in the league) is that they understand how the market works and how the market values assets, and they are not going to give up a dollar in a trade to get back 50 cents. It would take an incredible packaging of top notch current players plus future draft picks to pry loose the Brooklyn pick. Favor and Hood sure as heck ain't getting it done neither are Kemba or DeAndre. Neither Charlotte nor LA have sufficient return value in assets to induce Cleveland to make the trade.

Of course . . . I could be wrong. This is a world, after all, in which Donald Trump is President, so I guess literally anything is possible.
 
NUMBERICA said:
To save (a lot of) money and get significantly better.
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Yes, there's that. But but both teams have to believe they are benefiting from the trade, but for the proposed trades that are asymmetrical (which includes a non-trivial portion of them), one can question whether the proposer ever stops to consider whether and why the trade partner would perceive any net benefit from the trade.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
Neither Kemba Walker nor DeAndre Jordan are worth a high first round pick. The reasons they wouldn't give away their top asset (and possibly most valued acquirable asset in the league) is that they understand how the market works and how the market values assets, and they are not going to give up a dollar in a trade to get back 50 cents. It would take an incredible packaging of top notch current players plus future draft picks to pry loose the Brooklyn pick. Favor and Hood sure as heck ain't getting it done neither are Kemba or DeAndre. Neither Charlotte nor LA have sufficient return value in assets to induce Cleveland to make the trade.

Of course . . . I could be wrong. This is a world, after all, in which Donald Trump is President, so I guess literally anything is possible.
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I think the Cavs are the exception, they need to swing big now.

Lets face facts. The Cavs are gonna need a whole lot more than a top 10 pick next year to pick themselves back up after Lebron leaves. So what if it stalls their rebuild by a year, they'll have the next 2 or 3 #1s anyway. They are in for a long long rebuild.

#MakeGoodWhileTheSunShines
 
LoPo said:
Burks - the guy only played last night because we were getting destroyed at Atlanta of all places. He is so far down the pecking order. If he was part of a "post-Hood" plan, he would have played more and featured the last couple games.
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I don't think he played because we were getting beat, he played because Hood was injured. Alec is somewhat out of the rotation, but he's an important injury insurance. They'll probably move him if they get anything, but I have a hard time imagining us dumping him for nothing, and at least giving up anything to get rid of him.
 
gregbroncs said:
Agree but I'd also be fine watching Jerebko, Sef, and/or Neto gone as well. I like some of those players but at this point it isn't working, non of those guys are long term guys.
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Agreed. Anyone not named Gobert, Mitchell and possibly Ingles and Exum for the FO.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
Neither Kemba Walker nor DeAndre Jordan are worth a high first round pick. The reasons they wouldn't give away their top asset (and possibly most valued acquirable asset in the league) is that they understand how the market works and how the market values assets, and they are not going to give up a dollar in a trade to get back 50 cents. It would take an incredible packaging of top notch current players plus future draft picks to pry loose the Brooklyn pick. Favor and Hood sure as heck ain't getting it done neither are Kemba or DeAndre. Neither Charlotte nor LA have sufficient return value in assets to induce Cleveland to make the trade.

Of course . . . I could be wrong. This is a world, after all, in which Donald Trump is President, so I guess literally anything is possible.
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A #9ish pick isn't really a franchise altering asset, especially in a 7 deep draft. It is better to have it than not to have it. But if you have a team capable of getting to the finals, it is something you flip for help now, every single time. Basically Cleveland has to place everything not immediately necessary in their rotation on the table and come up with the best deal possible. It is a long deep hole they will be in after Lebron leaves, no need to hasten that along, Jerry Krause style. . .
 
Cleveland can probably get Hill and a wing or someone like Favors with just their own picks and expirings. No need for them to use the Brooklyn pick. And I disagree it' just a 7 deep draft. Besides, there's always the chance it becomes top-3. Cleveland has a history of draft lick.
 
Jack Strop said:
Cleveland can probably get Hill and a wing or someone like Favors with just their own picks and expirings. No need for them to use the Brooklyn pick. And I disagree it' just a 7 deep draft. Besides, there's always the chance it becomes top-3. Cleveland has a history of draft lick.
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They can get Hill OR Favors with their remaining pieces, not likely both. You certainly aren't sniffing anything better than those two. And you could top 3 protect the pick. "A history of luck" really isn't something to bet Lebron James on.
 
framer said:
They can get Hill OR Favors with their remaining pieces, not likely both. You certainly aren't sniffing anything better than those two. And you could top 3 protect the pick. "A history of luck" really isn't something to bet Lebron James on.
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They can get both of those guys. They are very likely getting Hill for a 2nd round pick and salary swaps. They could definitely get Favors from us for a 3 way with Chicago sending their pick Chicago's way.
 
Interesting trade from Bleacher (take it with a grain of salt) but I'd like to hear others opinions:


  1. Charlotte Hornets Receive: C Channing Frye, PG Ricky Rubio, SG/SF Iman Shumpert, 2018 first-round pick (from Brooklyn, via Cleveland), 2018 second-round pick (via Utah)

    Cleveland Cavaliers Receive: PF/C Derrick Favors, SG/SF Rodney Hood, SF Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, PG Kemba Walker, 2018 first-round pick (via Utah)

    Utah Jazz Receive: PG/SG Michael Carter-Williams, PF/C Kevin Love, PG Isaiah Thomas
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Source:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ideas-how-to-move-kemba-walker-deandre-jordan[/quote]
 
I don't think it's bad tbh (I'd rather have kemba though)

EDIT: We would, however, have 0 picks in this years draft though
 
Why on earth did people think the IT/Kyrie deal was bad for Boston? Would have loved having Hayward paired with IT.
 
Not sure if this has been discussed. I agree with Zach Lowe:

"There have been rumblings the Kings might dump Labissiere to free up a roster spot so they absorb extra contracts from Cleveland in the percolating George Hill deal. If that's true, a smart team will buy low on Labissiere."
 
Shad said:
Interesting trade from Bleacher (take it with a grain of salt) but I'd like to hear others opinions:
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From Charlotte's perspective I think it gets shot down because Jordan has said they want an all-star. So then the question becomes, can you alter this trade so that Love (an all-star) goes to the Hornets and if so would the Jazz still be involved? I say no.

Edit: Another thought is if IT goes to Charlotte then maybe Jordan can save face and consider this deal.
 
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