Why?
Big Al to Orlando?
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illyasova
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Orl does not have anyone we wish for and they will not get a C cause they wanna suck to get a good pick next year instead of being mediocre just like jazz.
gomretat
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You are describing the Utah Jazz.
Agreed, Also why would Orlando pick Jefferson over Gasol or Bynum? I think there going for a full complete rebuild. I just can't believe what they received from the Howard trade. They really couldn't have done better? Really?
That would have been a great idea, I'm still shocked at little they received back. 4-5 picks in the late 20s nice Orlando. It really makes KOC look like the best gm in the game for what he got for Dwill
Fishsticks
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The dude in Denver is no slouch.
I'd agree with that, he turned Nene, Melo, Affalo into Galenari, Miller, Chandler, Iguadala, Mcgee, and the center from Russia. I hate to say this but there going to be a fun team to watch next year.
Stifle Tower
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This.
If the great experiment works (i.e. surrounding an elite low-post scorer with outside shooters), then expect the Jazz to make a sizeable offer to Big Al this summer, especially if Paul takes his balls and goes elsewhere for $11M+. If it doesn't, the Jazz have cap space to go after another big.
About the only thing Orlando wants to do is unload junk like Hedo.
Al is never going to be a defensive stopper. But really, did we see much defense in the USA-Spain Gold Medal game? There are very few elite players that are great on both ends, let alone guys that are a tier lower like Jefferson. If Al can just improve marginally on offense by passing out to "making" wings and play a bit better team defense, that's all we need from him.
Having seen what Kanter brings, I think the future - if we have a chance - is Favors/Jefferson, with Enes off the bench for 20-25 mins. Can we match up with Howard-Gasol-Bryant-Nash-Metta? Not right now, but if they develop, I think Favors-Jefferson-Marvin W.-Hayward with a good young PG wouldn't be far off in a couple of years, especially if you can bring in Kanter and Burks off the bench (or start Burks and have Hayward as the 6th man).
Fishsticks
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I have to agree with you on the big rotation. I do get depressed thinking about using the number 3 pick in the draft on kanter as he appears destined for a back up role. I know there was not a lot that went after him, but I would have liked to put Brandon knight on this team. I think he will end up being a very serviceable pg.
Stifle Tower
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Serviceable big > Serviceable PG.
I don't see Knight as a franchise PG. There was a chance Kanter could have developed into a franchise center. Choice was easy. Unfortunately, the Jazz had a very high pick in a weak draft and had no picks this year in a deep draft. Unfortunate, yes. But I'll take two starters (Favors and Marvin Williams), a solid backup in Kanter and a future first if the alternative was losing Deron for nothing - or a Melo or Howard-like circus of trade offers and will he/won't he re-sign.
I don't see Knight as a franchise PG. There was a chance Kanter could have developed into a franchise center. Choice was easy. Unfortunately, the Jazz had a very high pick in a weak draft and had no picks this year in a deep draft. Unfortunate, yes. But I'll take two starters (Favors and Marvin Williams), a solid backup in Kanter and a future first if the alternative was losing Deron for nothing - or a Melo or Howard-like circus of trade offers and will he/won't he re-sign.
I think Utah will likely hold Al until mid-season or trade deadline, depending on where they are in the playoff hunt and how Favors/Kanter are playing. If Al continues to be the offensive star of the team and Utah is looking good for a decent playoff seed, they will keep him for the full season. But if they are inconsistent or Favors/Kanter shine then I could see Utah trading Al sometime during the season. What they shouldn't do is hold him like they did Boozer, when it is clear that there is a player on the roster that can fill that spot and/or he is not part of the teams future plans. Orlando would obviously be a strong trade partner, should and if the time comes. By offering Millsap an extension but not Al, it is clear that Al is not part of the teams future plans at this time. That could change as the season unfolds.
Chris
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I know. I'm describing every team.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
Not necessarily true. I think the philosophy is that they will not offer Al the same amount of $. On the other hand, Paul is worth much more than his current contract.
Part of the problem last time around with Paul is that his uncle and the other attorney are inexperienced agents. In fact, I think Paul is their only NBA client. AS such, they may be completely unaware the new CBA caps extension amounts in both percentage increases and years. Extending an offer to Millsap was the Jazz' way of showing respect - that their offer was the best it could be under the new CBA.
theNBAnerd
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that's exactly what i was going to say... if paul isn't part of the jazz's future plan but al is, why didn't al get a meeting to discuss extension offers? they didn't have to offer him a max extension, they could have invited him in and offered him the same amount they offered paul... but they didn't. that should speak volumes.
Maybe he did. It wouldn't be the first time KOC didn't offer information like that to the media.
theNBAnerd
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but everybody found out about the paul offer?
Because JF says to and thats where teh moneys are. See the knights out thread, bro.
billyshelby
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Bringing Al in now and offering him a 50 percent paycut is absurd. Both Al and the Jazz know that's not good for anyone involved. I'm not saying Al is part of the future or not, but his value is all over the map. With Sap, it was supersimple -- they could only offer him a cut rate deal so offering it wasn't just a no brainer, it was obligatory.
theNBAnerd
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so that justifies why they don't at least start having the conversation about his value?!
nah, the writing is on the wall. the jazz could have had him come in for the meeting even if it was just a formality, like it was with sap. and then they made sure the news got public with sap so that everybody would know they were working on that.
billyshelby
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No one, anywhere, is confused about what the Sap offer meant: The Jazz could only offer him a contract that is well under his value. So it's a no-brainer to offer him that, and it would have been disrespectful not to. It's completely meaningless outside the thin hope he might actually sign it.
With Al, there is no way to set parameters on a deal. They can't offer him 3 years at 24. And Al knows his real value is from having the 4/5 year options in FA. So each side is well aware that those negotiations will happen after next season.
You're reading stuff into this that is a total distortion of what's going on.