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Besides Paul, Atlanta had Al Horford inside during the clutch to score. He also had two other all-stars in Jeff Teague and Kyle Korver on the court to defer to.
 
KD's Framily said:
So "too much help" is the reason why Millsap was terrible in the clutch in Atlanta? Fine. Let's accept that for a second and instead compare Favors' clutch numbers this year to Millsap's final year with the Jazz:

Favors: 30 games, 4.2 minutes per game, 2.1 points on 58.0 TS%
Millsap: 35 games, 4.2 minutes per game, 2.2 points on 55.5 TS%

I hope we can agree to stop using how Favors performs in the clutch as a reason why he should be traded for Millsap.
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Not to mention, check out Millsap's TS% the last four years in the playoffs. If you want somebody who will shrink when it really counts, go get Millsap. Yeah, he'll get you there, but healthy Jazz gets there anyway.
 
I don't understand why every idea in this forum turns into a fight or a bunch of insults. Back in the day, people would talk at the barbershop or water cooler. Nowadays, a bunch of anonymous punks just wanna talk ****. Its okay if people have different opinions than you. It will happen throughout your life.

I happen to think that Millsap fits our needs better. We (FO, fans, players) have said many times the last few years that we need veteran leadership (intangible), heart (intangible), hard work (intangible) and depth. I feel like this trade addresses much of what we lack in building the chemistry of a contender.

Look at GS - Iggy's defense and intangibles took them from cute to contender. Every player on that team said he changed the culture when he arrived. He was that guy who could do it all.

My idea isn't perfect. I know that. It comes with risk just like the Hill trade. If Favors truly has that much more value than Millsap and Korver, then Atlanta could add that 2018 lottery protected pick they have from Minnesota.

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str8line said:
Utah had among the highest man-games lost to injury and Atlanta had among the least. 62 games into the season Atlanta was the second healthiest team in the league. In other words Millsap had all of his teammates that were stepping up night after night. We needed Favors to step up more than Atlanta needed Millsap to step up.



This.
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Your point sucks.
 
str8line said:
Act like a man.
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The reason that your point sucks is because first it was said that millsap is more clutch than favors. Then stats were presented showing that to not really be true.
At that point you should act like a man and see that millsap in fact was not more clutch than favors. Instead you try to make excuses to why millsap was not more clutch than favors. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHY HE WAS NOT MORE CLUTCH. THE FACT IS HE WASN'T/ISN'T.

If you want to guess and speculate that with different teammates and with different amounts of health to teammates that millsap WOULD be more clutch than favors then go ahead. But that is all guessing and speculation. The fact is that millsap is not more clutch than favors. End of discussion.

Act like a man
 
Hell, having more options to go to in the clutch (like millsap has) should only help him in clutch situations since defenses can't just key on millsap. They have to worry about his teammates too.
 
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fishonjazz said:
The reason that your point sucks is because first it was said that millsap is more clutch than favors. Then stats were presented showing that to not really be true.
At that point you should act like a man and see that millsap in fact was not more clutch than favors. Instead you try to make excuses to why millsap was not more clutch than favors. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHY HE WAS NOT MORE CLUTCH. THE FACT IS HE WASN'T/ISN'T.

If you want to guess and speculate that with different teammates and with different amounts of health to teammates that millsap WOULD be more clutch than favors then go ahead. But that is all guessing and speculation. The fact is that millsap is not more clutch than favors. End of discussion.

Act like a man
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I don't think it's guessing and speculation to say that the Hawks had better players surrounding Millsap than the Jazz did surrounding Favors. And if that's the case then Millsap's production needs that taken into account. Another point then could be made that we need to get the ball to Favors more in the clutch. But hey, if people want to come up with insults instead of discussion...
 
fishonjazz said:
Hell, having more options to go to in the clutch (like millsap has) should only help him in clutch situations since defenses can't just key on millsap. They have to worry about his teammates too.
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That's more like it. Valid point.
 
str8line said:
I don't think it's guessing and speculation to say that the Hawks had better players surrounding Millsap than the Jazz did surrounding Favors. And if that's the case then Millsap's production needs that taken into account. Another point then could be made that we need to get the ball to Favors more in the clutch. But hey, if people want to come up with insults instead of discussion...
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So millsap has better players surrounding him. Meaning that defenses can't just focus on him. His efficiency in the clutch should be even higher than favors since hood supporting cast is better. But it's not.
Again, the fact is simple. Millsap is not more clutch than favors. There may or may not be reasons for this. The fact remains.

Btw, I never insulted you.

Edit: nevermind, you already saw my other post.
 
Dr. Jones said:
Lulz. Almost sig-worthy.
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Lol.
Just to clarify... I meant he already saw my other post about millsap having a better supporting cast theoretically helping his efficiency in the clutch..... Not that he saw my other post that insulted him lol
 
I'm just going to delicately chime in on the discussion between fish and st8.

Let's just look at the last 2 years. When it comes to season analysis between Favors and Millsap, I do think they are very comparable. During the season when the grind is ongoing, they perform about the same. My respect for Millsap lies with his play in the playoffs. During the season, Hayward is the alpha dog which gives Favors a chance to shine. We don't really know what role Favors would play in the playoffs.

For Atlanta, it is abundantly obvious that Millsap becomes the alpha. He does everything from posting up, passing out of the post, taking bigs off the dribble and shooting 3's. He is the main reason Atlanta went from barely making the playoffs to winning the East #1 seed. When he left Utah, Atlanta pretty much swapped Joe Johnson for Millsap. A former multiple All Star for a guy who was used all over the place in Utah. Ever since he's been in Atlanta, they have been conference contenders. Honestly, I don't think that Atlanta roster is that good at all. Teague is overrated. Bazemore reminds me a ton of Hood, but he's more raw in my opinion. He makes a ton of dumb decisions. Horford does everything you want a center to do, but he doesn't do anything at an elite level. He can't spread the floor outside of elbow jumpers and he's just a good rim protector and rebounder. Korver is losing a step and can be stopped if you stay on him like Cleveland does in the playoffs. He can be a threat, but that depends on what you put around him. So at the end of the day during the playoffs, Millsap is left to play out of his mind for Atlanta to have a chance against a team like Cleveland. He just didn't have enough.

I personally just prefer Millsap's versatility. Exum/Hill, Hood, Hayward, Millsap and Gobert is a contender. You have 3 guys (4 if Hill is in) who can shoot the 3. You have 4 guys who can dribble and penetrate. You have great length and defense. We would have better rim protecting with Favors hypothetically, but Millsap excels at jumping passing lanes leading him to have one of the highest steal rates in the league. That's why he was 2nd Team All Defense. Millsap is also better at guarding wings off the PnR.

We could argue them all day, but the discussion would come down to size, potential and age versus versatility, experience and veteran leadership. I would be fascinated to hear what Gordon would think off the record. Would he want his current teammate or does he think he might have a better shot with Millsap and Korver?
 
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