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Dennis shooting <40%, <30% from 3.
Burke shooting 43% from the field, 44% from 3.
Burke shooting 43% from the field, 44% from 3.
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Game6Conley
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Is this the true measure of PG's nowadays? Shooting %'s?? I'd say often times this season Trey is actually playing the role of 6'1" SG so this is kinda comparing apples and oranges -- Look at Trey's deflated ast/to ratio and where his shots are coming from, more than 55% of his shots are Jumpers, the 3 most popular distances he shoots from are 25' 24' and 20'... They have him doing what he's good at, not taking the reigns at PG..
Schroder is so much better at running the P'n'R its almost disgraceful to see this topic on a Jazz forum. I highly doubt John Stockton would vouch for Trey's play style over Dennis'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPO7aXUmhRM
Trey apparently isn't good enough to start over Raul Neto, and Schroder is clearly a much better version of Raul Neto. So OP's train of thought certainly eludes me.
I used to say in the draftee's thread that I didn't think Trey was much more than a 2½:1 AST:TO ratio pg, he's been over that, near 3 -- Not this year though I'd say because of his new, more hands off role..
-- Look at the difference between these assist charts. Trey's looks like a wing player..
@Dalamon you can't possibly think Trey's gonna command more $$ from teams 2 summers from now??
Keep in mind Dennis is also a year younger.
Schroder is so much better at running the P'n'R its almost disgraceful to see this topic on a Jazz forum. I highly doubt John Stockton would vouch for Trey's play style over Dennis'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPO7aXUmhRM
Trey apparently isn't good enough to start over Raul Neto, and Schroder is clearly a much better version of Raul Neto. So OP's train of thought certainly eludes me.
I used to say in the draftee's thread that I didn't think Trey was much more than a 2½:1 AST:TO ratio pg, he's been over that, near 3 -- Not this year though I'd say because of his new, more hands off role..
-- Look at the difference between these assist charts. Trey's looks like a wing player..@Dalamon you can't possibly think Trey's gonna command more $$ from teams 2 summers from now??
Keep in mind Dennis is also a year younger.
da ThRONe
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It's true that Trey has been forced to play off ball more due to the skillset's of Burks, Hayward, and Hood, but Trey has been great getting the ball where it should be when he's handled the rock. The problem for Burke is he isn't getting consistent mins with players that can finish his passes. While Schroder is surrounded with floor spacers.
I agree Trey shooting percentage doesn't make him better. It's his ability to break down the defense, his improved decision making, and his improved finishing at the basket, couple with his shooting that makes him better. Burke still needs to become a more discipline defender, and continue to improve his ability to finish at the rack.
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Same with NAOS. He lived in NYC for years and can comment on its gentrification.
Oh wait.
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PS: your boytoy Dennis ****ing blows. Lol.
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You don't need stats to show that DS is a much better Pt Guard than Trey. As PG_AB has clearly shown, DG is a true PG and Trey is a miniature SG. Could Trey shift his style of play? I am very skeptical. It's just not in his mentality to be a pass-first player. Look what happened last game. He played great in the first half, but then in the second half because he was scoring and penetrating in the first half, he went back to his old hero-ball, shoot first mentality with disastrous consequences for the Jazz.
Game6Conley
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The starting point for Schroders extension will be 4 years 40 mil. What kind of deal do you forsee Trey landing in the summer of 2017??
Even statstically, Burke is only a better 3-point shooter. Schroeder wins the rest of the statistical categories, including 2pt% and ft%, and dishes nearly twice as many assists in the same number of minutes. So Burke being better than Schroeder is a bad argument even if you've never seen them play. If you have, it really becomes laughable.
I wouldn't say it's "laughable" this year as there is probably an argument to be had for both sides.
I was pretty surprised when looking at the stats that they go to the FT line at basically the same rate.
And what is the argument for Burke? He's a pylon defensively and not much of a PG offensively. He's been a good outside shooter so far this year. That's about it.
Well 3pt shooting is kind of an important thing.
Schroeder only shoots 2% better on 2pt attempts.
Burke actually gets to the FT line more per 36 minutes (half an attempt more).
Schroeder plays on a much better team (in terms of offensive output) that moves the ball better and has more of a team concept than Utah currently does, so assist opportunities are probably more frequent (Atlanta has 2nd most assist per game as a team).
Schroeder actually has a worse defensive plus/minus (not that I put a lot of stock into this, but I havent watched Schroeder closely enough this year to properly comment on his defensive work this year). That could probably be contributed to Burke playing on a better defensive team (much like Schroeder having some slightly better offensive numbers because he plays on a better offensive team).
Not saying I think Burke > Schroeder this year, and I certainly think Schroeder has more potential over the long run, but it's an argument and certainly not "laughable".
Other slight stats Burke has on Schroeder: Steals and Rebounds (on per 36 basis).
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I don't know about that. DS sure looks and plays like a PG; Trey plays more like a SG -- he scores most of his point from spot-up jumpers created for him by Burks and others.