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Burks - what is his MAX we can offer ?

DL to Burks: You score by flinging your body into the air carelessly, and your game is based on risking knee injury. I'll give you $28/4, guaranteed right now, or you can take your chances at this season being your last paycheck.
 
franklin said:
DL to Burks: You score by flinging your body into the air carelessly, and your game is based on risking knee injury. I'll give you $28/4, guaranteed right now, or you can take your chances at this season being your last paycheck.
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Burks to DL: 'Suck it bro, I'm better than that and Imma prove it'. *walks away like a boss
 
PKM said:
I wouldn't give Burks more than $8.8MM.
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How much did you feel hayward deserved? About the same amount iirc
 
Burks is about 8 million as of right now.

If he can learn to make his teammates better, actually use a pick, and player better defense, I could see him reaching around 12 million. Don't think all those things will happen.
 
Burks needs to spend MAX time inside the gym then we will talk MAX contract. I hear DL say he will volunteer for two times per day when player union says it is vacay time. This gives promise for Burks earning MAX in next season.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Burks is about 8 million as of right now.

If he can learn to make his teammates better, actually use a pick, and player better defense, I could see him reaching around 12 million. Don't think all those things will happen.
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The defense is the main thing.

He already makes his teammates better. When hayward was out with injury burks averaged about 5 assists per game in less minutes that hayward, and hayward only averaged around 5 assists on his 36+ minutes.

So just going off assists, burks is about equal to hayward when taking haywards place in the lineup.
(Watch kanter and goberts highlight videos and you will see many nice passes from alec to them)

As for learn how to use a pick. The great thing about burks is that he doesnt need a pick to score, beat his man, get open, or get to the basket and kick to teammates. In an offense based on spacing, this would be a great attribute because you would not need to bring a man to set a pick for him. (bringing two players, and thier defenders, close to each other which could destroy spacing)

His defense does need alot of improvement though
 
Kanter will get big money despite the injuries because he is big and has shown flashes on solid play. I could see him getting or at least asking for a deal equal to Favors'.
The Max I could see Burks getting, unless he becomes a starting, 20ppg guy and the Jazz make the playoffs is the deal that Lance Stephenson got, but I see something in the 3-4 year/6-7 per range to be more likely.
 
Fwiw in hayward sophmore year in college he averaged 1.7 assists per game.

Burks averaged 2.9 in his sophmore year.
(hayward averaged about 2 minutes more per game as well so thier per 36 assists are even more in burks favor)

Burks passing ability is just fine
 
I know this is all talk and means nothing, but a while back on the local sports radio they were talking about the Hayward contract situation with a national media guy (wish I could remember which one). They were talking about if Gordon gets a huge contract wouldn't it make it hard to keep Burks and the guy was just like "What? Why? Alec Burks is only a $4 million a year player anyway."

My point is that he is not nearly as highly thought of around the league as Gordon was, even early in his career (I think his USA invites show that.) I think most Jazz fans greatly over value Burks because he is flashy and exciting to watch. I love Burks and hope his here a long time. I think even with a huge year, short of all-star year, he still won't draw any more attention than a Nick Young and certainly not a Lance Stephenson. And honestly this could be a great thing for the Jazz. I think he will get a lot more than the $4 million that was mentioned before, assuming a breakout year, but nothing close to a max contract. But in reality it only takes one team to be stupidly interested to blow that up...
 
If we could get Burks for the same deal that Lance got that would be a steal. This guy has shown major improvement and with a coach that actually believes in him who knows how well he could perform this season. The thing I like about Burks is that he is cocky and he knows he can be a #1 option. Of all our players he seems like the guy that wants to take a game over
 
fishonjazz said:
The defense is the main thing.

He already makes his teammates better. When hayward was out with injury burks averaged about 5 assists per game in less minutes that hayward, and hayward only averaged around 5 assists on his 36+ minutes.

So just going off assists, burks is about equal to hayward when taking haywards place in the lineup.
(Watch kanter and goberts highlight videos and you will see many nice passes from alec to them)

As for learn how to use a pick. The great thing about burks is that he doesnt need a pick to score, beat his man, get open, or get to the basket and kick to teammates. In an offense based on spacing, this would be a great attribute because you would not need to bring a man to set a pick for him. (bringing two players, and thier defenders, close to each other which could destroy spacing)

His defense does need alot of improvement though
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I would have to see some on/off FG% for his teammates on Alec Burks.

Like Hayward's are all significantly higher when he plays. Not sure the same is for Burks. He is going to get assist numbers when he plays and Hayward doesn't because someone has to get the assist, not always the best tool for seeing if he makes his teammates better.
 
I hope he sees a good future in jazz and don't ask for a max deal. Another max deal will just **** up our cap space
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
I would have to see some on/off FG% for his teammates on Alec Burks.
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Good point
And to make it an apples to apples comparison you would need to see those numbers when him and hayward are in similar roles. (Starting and running the offense with similar players)

When burks is the sixth man he is often playing with lesser talent than gordon and i believe burks is told to be the scorer off the bench and encouraged to shoot more than pass.
 
DarkMount said:
My point is that he is not nearly as highly thought of around the league as Gordon was, even early in his career (I think his USA invites show that.)
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Why is this though?
Could it have to do with hayward being drafted higher, playing alot more minutes, and having been in the league longer?

No one ever heard of burks till last year, the first time he got significant minutes, and that was during a tanking year when the jazz were horrible so none of thier players were being talked about.

Hayward on the other hand got good minutes and exposure playing for a team that made the playoffs. And then continued to get big minutes and be somewhat featured.
Plus hayward was a household name before ever even entering the nba due to the butler final four run.

Im willing to bet that if burks was drafted in 2010 number 9 (after a deep final four run) and then got good minutes for 4 years, that he would be more well known.
Conversely if hayward was drafted 12th from a team that didnt even make the ncaa tourney and then got a whole bunch of DNP'S for a few years that no one would know about him.

In other words i think hayward is so much more well known than burks due to circumstances rather than actual play on the court.

if you compare alec and gordons stats per 36 they are not far apart
 
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