But...like really.....how the **** are we gonna get a star?

[green]

Here are the teams that have won titles over the last 20 years:

Miami (LeBron)
Dallas (Dirk)
Lakers (Kobe)
Boston (Pierce, Garnett)
Spurs (Duncan)
Pistons
Lakers (Shaq)
Bulls (Jordan)
Houston (Hakeem)


Would you trade LeBron, Dirk, Kobe, Pierce, Garnett or Duncan, Shaq, Jordan, Hakeem for George? Nope, I wouldn't either.

Also, this is why I am so sick of all this no tank ********. To win a title, you must have one of the top two players in the league. Don't give me all this "team" "Detriot Pistons" crap. They won because LA had injuries. So, I take it back. If you want to win a title in the next three years, you have to have Durrant or LeBron or hope that Durrant/LeBron's team has multiple injuries. Good luck with that.

Just LOSE baby. Why do you think LA and BOS are tanking? They can get any FA they want. They are hoping that Wiggins/Parker are better than Durrant/LeBron.

It's the only way.

Let me put it this way: I'd rather have LeBron, one other 10 million per guy, three mid-level exceptions and minimum contracts than the Pacers team. Hell, I'd rather have that than the Pistons team that won it all.

 

[UGLI baby]

Here are the teams that have won titles over the last 20 years:

Miami (LeBron)
Dallas (Dirk)
Lakers (Kobe)
Boston (Pierce, Garnett)
Spurs (Duncan)
Pistons
Lakers (Shaq)
Bulls (Jordan)
Houston (Hakeem)


Would you trade LeBron, Dirk, Kobe, Pierce, Garnett or Duncan, Shaq, Jordan, Hakeem for George? Nope, I wouldn't either.

You'd trade them for Hibbert doe, right?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I would trade all those dudes for George, do you know how old Hakeem is now?

 

[green]

Smart asses.

 

[UGLI baby]

We really, really, REALLY need to do a current NBA Players Mock Draft thing to see how crazy of a team Dalmong ends up with.

PS: You know I love you Dalabro, but still.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I thought you were asking hypothetically, like could anyone average that and have their team win right now. Not going to go through and look at the stats. Can it happen?

Yes. Fo-Sho. Is it sustainable over a long period of time and will it help them achieve playoff success? No. Look at the Bulls last year. They did pretty good without Rose. They probably had some stretches where they played damn good in the regular season, but overall they failed without him. Same **** would happen to the Pacers.

But Rose probably ain't a super-star in your eyes and Curry is.

Waiting for teh Dalamon response as to Rose being a super-star.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

We really, really, REALLY need to do a current NBA Players Mock Draft thing to see how crazy of a team Dalmong ends up with.

PS: You know I love you Dalabro, but still.

His team at teh end:

PG: Dennis Schroeder
SG: Luigi Datome
SF: Khris Middelton
PF: Vitor Favorini
C: Roy Hibbert

Off teh bench is Pero Antic, Omir Casspi (his twin), and Wayne Gretzky

 

[Deleted member 848]

Pro tip: Maybe if people keep saying you have gone full retard you need to take a step back and double check whether or not you have indeed gone full retard.

Just checked-- haven't gone full-retard.

If George isn't a 'superstar' by today's standard (and how this standard is determined is beyond me), it's pretty clear he will be in the near future judging by his level of improvement from season to season. He'll also be good for quite a while considering his age. Sounds like a good player to have.

If he keeps improving, then of course he'll be a superstar-- but how certain are we that he will keep improving. I guess that's the question.

Off topic but i just want to say that im feenin for some jazz basketball right now guys.
Despite this season being a strange one and in some ways a disaster, i still love to watch each and every game and i cant wait for the next one.

It helps with my excitement that Burks emergence/improvement is kind of the main storyline for the jazz currently, but even if that weren't the case i would still be itchin for a jazz game right about now

I've missed way too many Jazz games this season, and it kinda bums me out. Oh well-- at least I'm missing out on a rather forgettable season.

I think George can be an efficient closer at this point (in the sense that he can get enough buckets in the end to win the game) mostly because he plays for Indiana and their defense is so good. If he had to do it on a different team I'm not sure he'd be able to do it at this point.

Completely agree. He wasn't even the main-closer for most of last season (David West was).

You mean to tell me that there are really people who don't think George is a super-star? *******.

And no, Hayward would not be just as good, or even close to as good as George if he could miraculously switch teams/situations. Which is a stupid argument because we can't switch those scenarios. If George is coached by a better coach (and he is), should I discredit skills he learned from that coach just because other players haven't gotten that opportunity? Hell no.

When you grade whether a player is a super-star or not, you have to do it based off of position, and how he performs in comparison to other players. Paul George is a super-star, and anybody who says otherwise is a fool.

So basically: you say that you're floored that some of us doing consider George a superstar; you criticize our arguments; then you go on to define what a superstar is in your perception, which is different from all of our perceptions.

So what is your point, really?

Let me put it this way: I'd rather have LeBron, one other 10 million per guy, three mid-level exceptions and minimum contracts than the Pacers team. Hell, I'd rather have that than the Pistons team that won it all.

See, I'd be fine with having a Pistons team-- and to me, the 2014 Pacers are the closest thing to the 2004 Pistons the league has ever had. Consequently, that is why I don't refer to George is a superstar-- to reasons similar to why many wouldn't have considered any of the Pistons' starting five as superstars back in '04.

You'd trade them for Hibbert doe, right?

You realize that I'm not the only one who values Hibbert more than George-- right? Scroll back in this thread alone, for proof.

We really, really, REALLY need to do a current NBA Players Mock Draft thing to see how crazy of a team Dalmong ends up with.

PS: You know I love you Dalabro, but still.

If I can fantasy re-draft better than you, I'm sure I'm not as dramatically awful with assessing elite talent as you think I am.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Waiting for teh Dalamon response as to Rose being a super-star.

Please re-iterate this for me: why do you think that I wouldn't consider Rose to be a super-star, again? Because his team performed fine without him?

 

[UGLI baby]

LMAO not sure how you think you fantasy redrafted better than me.

Currently beating you 8-0 this week btw



#nTn

 

[Deleted member 848]

His team at teh end:

PG: Dennis Schroeder
SG: Luigi Datome
SF: Khris Middelton
PF: Vitor Favorini
C: Roy Hibbert

Off teh bench is Pero Antic, Omir Casspi (his twin), and Wayne Gretzky

lmao

 

[UGLI baby]

LMAO not sure how you think you fantasy redrafted better than me.

Currently beating you 8-0 this week btw



#nTn

FoR dal^



#nTn

 

[Deleted member 848]

LMAO not sure how you think you fantasy redrafted better than me.

Because my draft picks were better than yours, plain and simple.

Currently beating you 8-0 this week btw



#nTn

against one of the most injury-riddled teams in the league? That must really feel great. Glad I am able to provide a dim-light of hope for your continued failures as a Jazzfanz Fantasy-GM

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Please re-iterate this for me: why do you think that I wouldn't consider Rose to be a super-star, again? Because his team performed fine without him?

You said to find a team that did good when the super star wasn't there.

 

[UGLI baby]

Because my draft picks were better than yours, plain and simple.



against one of the most injury-riddled teams in the league? That must really feel great. Glad I am able to provide a dim-light of hope for your continued failures as a Jazzfanz Fantasy-GM

Lol bro, I used my redraft assets to aqcuire Kevin Durant, and Russel Westbrook.

Kevin Durant, the greatest fantasy basketball player of our lifetimes.

Who da *** did you redraft that turned out good?



#nTn

 

[green]

Some more on the amazing 2004 World Champion Pistons:

In the playoffs, they played the 15th best team (Milwaukee), the 9th best team (New Jersey), and Indiana (#1). In the east that year, 7 of the 9 worst teams took part in that great conference. The record of teams Detroit beat to get to the finals was 149-97 (.606)

The Lakers played the 10th best team (Houston), the third best team (SA), and the second best team (Minn). The record of teams Detroit beat to get to the finals was 160-86 (.650). LA's teams had 11 more wins against much, much better competition.

Utah didn't make the playoffs that year...they would have been the #4 seed in the East, even with a West schedule.

That team is the most over-rated team maybe of all time.

 

[green]

It's also a TERRIBLE team to try to emulate, because odds are, your conference won't be the worst basketball ever, you won't be seeded against the easiest road to the final ever, then play a Laker team that had been decimated by injuries.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

It's also a TERRIBLE team to try to emulate, because odds are, your conference won't be the worst basketball ever, you won't be seeded against the easiest road to the final ever, then play a Laker team that had been decimated by injuries.

Yeah, we should emulate the Heat instead.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Lol bro, I used my redraft assets to aqcuire Kevin Durant, and Russel Westbrook.

Kevin Durant, the greatest fantasy basketball player of our lifetimes.

Who da *** did you redraft that turned out good?



#nTn

Draft picks of yours:

1) Enes Kanter (LMAO)
2) traded your 2nd and 3rd picks to Row (still one of the biggest heists in all of fantasy tbh-- Row is 'tarded); still doesn't speak to your drafting talent tho
3) Isaiah Thomas --> deadly pickup, credit given where due
4) Jeremy Lamb --> Pretty vanilla tbh
5) Rudy Gobert --> lol
6) Darren Collison --> Lol
7) Montejiunas --> lol
8) James Anderson --> lol
9) Al Farouq Aminu --> lol
10) McBob --> not bad for a final pick

So really, the only players you actually hung onto were McBob, Isaiah, Enes, and Lamb. Maybe Gobert too. AKA the only starter (if we're talking 8 deep) you drafted, was maybe Isaiah.


Me


1) Joe Johnson --> there was better picks for where he was picked, but I really didn't think the Nets would blow this year. Plus he's an all-star, so I wouldn't say it was a bust
2) JJ Redick --> would be a really good pick-up if he could stay healthy
3) Jameer Nelson --> good pick
4) Kyle Korver --> good pick
5) Sammy Dalembert --> bust; didn't think he would average just 7/6, even though he's hitting 57% from the field
6) Nick Young --> one of the biggest steals of the draft
7) Faverani --> that *******...
8) Ramon Sessions --> good value for a deep-draft pick. Still on my roster.
9) Martell Webster --> one of the best deep-draft picks among anyone
10) Gal Mekel --> could have potential moving forward; currently log jammed from PG depth @ Dallas.


Then, as far as in-season pick-ups are concerned, you managed to make a smart bid on Marshall (and tbh, I would have DEFINITELY out-bid you if I had remembered to submit that bid that night). Otherwise, rounding out your roster with FA-pickup like Blair, Cole, Mozgov, Farmar, and Vasquez is pretty embarrassing. Your mid-season pick-ups might be the worst in our entire league.


Meanwhile, I made bids on: Middleton (while you criticized me, and said Tony Snell would be better); Glen Davis; Nash; and Antic. Three players are quite promising moving forward, and I got Nash for pennies.

 

[green]

Yeah, we should emulate the Heat instead.

HellYES, we should emulate the Heat. What did the Heat do? They went out and got the best player in basketball: LeBron James.

Now, will LeBron come to Utah? NOPE. Or any other FA? NOPE.

BUT, Utah CAN get LeBron-level player if they draft him with a top pick.

So, TANK AWAY. Go get LeBron aka Wiggins/Parker.